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Has any woman here ever been mistaken for a bloke?

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WomanBornNotWorn · 18/08/2019 12:44

I've always been bigger than most other girls / women.

Despite an officially (Gok Wan hah!!) hourglass shape (waist 75% of equal sized hip/shoulders) etc etc etc, no gender confusion and what not, my overall bigliness (I'm the height of the average British bloke so half of them are smaller than me) has always been a potential for problems.

Oversized feet, big jaw, broad shoulders send ... the wrong message.

Never been particularly GNC, just not 'slim, dainty, girly, feminine, flirtatious, hot' and all the rest of that template stuff women are 'supposed to be'.

Each time I've been mis-sexed I remember with a jolt. Where I was, who said what, how I reacted - and what I was wearing. I actually think twice about what I wear in case it triggers an incident. Certain things I shy away from - Lace up shoes, trousers with jackets especially.

It's really rare to be fair, but over a lifetime that's a little collection I'd rather not have in the memory bank.

Does anyone else share this little anxiety?

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AllNaturalWoman · 18/08/2019 19:13

Every so often I'm misgendered, my build,appearance and features are all very obviously female as is my voice. I presume it's down to a failure in my performance of femininity - most likely I've been too direct and insufficient deferential to a man Grin

Brysonette · 18/08/2019 19:04

Yes, a lot.
I used to work on building sites /railway tracks (inspections) and if I was in my site gear then basically all the time when I was on lunch break etc. I have short hair. Usually a second glance and they'd realise and apologise but not always. I was and remain entirely unbothered.

Site gear not made in female sizes REALLY pisses me off though Angry

MorbidMuch · 18/08/2019 18:50

I haven't, but my DH used to get it a lot when he had long hair, especially as he is shorter and slimmer than average. It was normally blokes mistaking him for a woman from the back (like telling him he was going into the 'wrong' toilets) and would frequently get aggressive once they realised their error.

hoorayforharoldlloyd · 18/08/2019 18:43

Up to my mid 20s, sometimes mistaken for a young lad mainly by men. I was quite androgynous but with long hair and had no body confidence/self esteem about looks. Cut my hair short, decided i liked myself and it hasn't happened since. It did notjer me when i was younger as i associated it with being ugly and not feminine but as my self esteem grew, it stopped bothering me because it was only a mistake and hardly a terrible one.

Cookieflavoredbiscuit · 18/08/2019 18:38

I'm not tall, but I have a stocky build, a squarish face, and tend to wear baggy jeansy clothes, so it's happened to me various times. Sometimes kids would ask me, so I suspect some adults who weren't sure never said anything. It never bothered me, and walking at night I hope to be mistaken for a bloke.

StroppyWoman · 18/08/2019 18:06

Sure, when I was younger. Didn't bother me.

veryboredtoday · 18/08/2019 18:00

Yes lots as a kid as very skinny with short hair. All stopped when I grew boobs.

Heratnumber7 · 18/08/2019 17:56

Yes. When I was about 17. But to be fair, I did look like a bloke. Short hair, hoody, jeans and kickers.

Lockheart · 18/08/2019 17:38

I have a pretty slim figure with curvy hips so quite a feminine figure, but I'm also tall and have had very short hair. It happened occasionally then, not so much now I have longer hair.

Never really bothered me to be honest. Gave me and whoever I was with something to laugh about for a moment!

TemporaryPermanent · 18/08/2019 17:13

Yy to the range of gender expression getting narrower, or at least more stratified, in recent years.

Something that really surprises me, and im aware what i sound like saying this, is the usual look for female junior doctors (Im not a doctor but do work in hospitals). By juniors i mean f1, f2 (used to be house officer/senior house officer). Almost without exception they go for short bodycon dresses. Some really are surprisingly short. They all look great but to me it's quite a sexualised appearance that i would never have considered at work, particularly work where i would have to bend and kneel down a fair bit. Having said that, the dresses dont gape at the front if you bend over, and are 'bare below the elbow' for infection control. Im not sure if its positive that women feel able to wear more obviously feminine, sexy clothes at work without burying themselves in suits and an unending series of black trousers the way i did and do, or whether its depressing that professional women with huge responsibilities feel that sexy revealing dresses are part of standard work gear.

Northernsoullover · 18/08/2019 17:09

A few times. I'm 5ft 10 and I don't woman properly, I favour hoodies, jeans and trainers. You wouldn't believe how distressing its been for me... literal violence.

Kanin · 18/08/2019 17:06

Yes, when I was in my early twenties it happened a fair bit. I had a buzz cut and tended to wear jeans and shirts. Didn't bother me. I'm five foot five and was quite slight in those days.

KaySarahSarah · 18/08/2019 17:00

Yes.

IMissGluten · 18/08/2019 16:58

Yeah every so often. At bars, in ladies' loos, parents telling their children to move out of my way, in shops, etc.

I'm 5'4" with GG tits!

But in their defence, I have no hips (I've been a variety of weights during my adult life, from 10½ to 20 stone, and no matter what weight I am, men's trousers fit me better round the arse/hips/thighs; I've a choice between men's trousers several inches too long, or women's trousers that billow out round my bum and hips like I'm MC Hammer), my shoulders are broad and straight, and I have short hair with a #3 round the back and sides, so from behind I guess I have a masculine look.

But I do also get it from people who can perfectly well see the front of me, which I do find a bit baffling.

It could be that I don't wear makeup, have a fairly low voice, and might not be particularly good at broadcasting the right social signals to be read as "woman" because of my ASD (I'm aware I tend to instinctively move, stand and sit in ways I find comfortable that don't come across as particularly feminine, judging by video I've seen of myself). And I don't wear particularly female-coded clothes because I'm more comfortable in my daily uniform of jeans, t-shirt, hoodie (and it seems to happen more frequently when I'm wearing a leather jacket).

Even so, though. The tits. They're not subtle.

Tyrotoxicity · 18/08/2019 16:49

Online as a fifteen year old I was accused multiple times of being a middle aged man. Apparently "teenage girls don't talk like that." What, in full sentences with excellent grammar and punctuation? I was offended by the sexist stereotype.

Once when I was about eighteen, walking home at night, wearing a flatcap, some dickheads shouted "haha, you girl!" out of a car window. I think they thought I was a bloke with some feminine attributes. It was clear there was supposed to be an insult in there, but to this day I remain vaguely bemused by it.

Aged around twenty five, a couple of teenage boys cycling past had a brief yet loud conversation about whether I was male or female. Again, I was bemused. Presumably the poor souls were visually impaired (because these hips and this arse are a bit of a clue), and as such probably shouldn't have been cycling on the road (or indeed at all).

knowthescore · 18/08/2019 16:48

attempting to put their hands in between my legs to check

The transactivists accuse "TERF" women of crotch-check sexual assaults, yet in reality it's males who do that. Quelle fucking surprise.

Dontforgetyourbrolly · 18/08/2019 16:38

I was mistaken for a teenage boy walking home from the gym in the dark ! An older man visibly jumped when I took out my key approaching my front door. He admitted he thought I was a " hoody" and my key was a knife, I think he must have been very nervous lol. I'm very petite but was wearing a tracksuit - with a hood!
DS was always mistaken for a girl as a baby ...apparently because his pram was red. Silly me I didn't realise boys should only have blue prams

homertonb · 18/08/2019 16:34

A few times Blush makes me feel so embarrassed. I can remember each time vividly

I have a very skinny build and small chest. I also have pcos which makes my eyebrows and sideburns coarse

I don’t wear men’s clothes, but I also don’t wear stereotypically feminine clothes (dresses/makeup/jewellery) because l feel too manly to dress up

E.g. I’m mostly in jeans and a plain / striped top

helloisitmeyourelookingfor · 18/08/2019 16:33

Several times -I'm over 6ft and broad

When it's been shop staff who've greeted me as sir before actually looking at me I've never been bothered and they've always quickly corrected themselves and apologised

When it's been drunk blokes in bars asking if I used to be a man, if I'm one of 'those trannys' or attempting to put their hands in between my legs to check -I've been very offended and the last one may have got a slap

EndoplasmicReticulum · 18/08/2019 16:23

Often when I had short hair. I was another child of the 70s with a home done short haircut and hand me down boys clothes. Again a few times as a young adult when my hair was short again. Not when I have long hair.
My husband was mistaken for a woman a few times in his youth when he had long hair.

DoubleHelix79 · 18/08/2019 16:21

Not in real life, but my (unusual, non-British) name sounds a lot like a common Spanish male name. I've been on quite a few teleconferences where a Spanish or Italian person was very surprised that I was female. It amuses me though.

wrappedupinmyselflikeaspool · 18/08/2019 16:15

Twice. Once as a ten year old with short hair in a crowd, watching a procession. Someone said “let this little boy to the front” I was actually wearing a dress, so I remember being a bit bemused. Then again as an adult in my thirties, waiting for a bus in a fleece and jeans and docs. Short hair again. A man asked me a question and addressed me as ‘mate’ then when I turned round he was a bit embarrassed, because I suppose my face is quite small and female looking. I was a bit put out but more because I realised I probably looked a bit of a state in a fleece than because he thought I was a man. I’m normally quite well turned out.

I do think that there’s a lot of pressure on women like the OP to conform to specifics that are impossible in order to be considered to be doing woman properly. And the punishment for failing to conform is severe in terms of social interactions. I think it’s really sad that women are restricted to such a narrow ‘look’ and I think it’s getting narrower despite the fact that fashion is supposed to set us free to be beautiful butterflies or whatever. I’m in my 50s now and 90% of girls and young women I see today have long, usually blonde hair if they are white, ( I assume it’s died because we are not in Sweden), and they wear tight, fancy, impractical clothes (with no pockets) and fancy, impractical boots and bags and theres a lot of pink or glittery, shiny accessories. I can’t understand it. I thought the 70s and 80s were supposed to be more sexist but all of my group of friends when I was a teenager had short hair and wore jeans and T-shirt or jumpers exactly like our male friends. Very occasionally we’d wear some kind of dress but a jumper dress, or a mini skirt with a jumper and boots. I had my share of weird outfits because I was a punk in the late 70s and a goth in the early 80s, that’s not what I mean, I mean mainstream women’s fashion has got more and more sexist and narrow.

knowthescore · 18/08/2019 15:25

Three times :

  • I was physically attacked once, the blokes mate yelled “its a girl!” and he backed off then. A bloke did similar to me once. I was wearing a long coat, I suspect I was mistaken for a male goth.
  • Another long coat incident, lady told her kids to get out of the gentleman's way.
  • This incident, in the loo during the interval at a gig I was playing.

The only one that actually upset me was the last one, because of the erasure of female players of my instrument. Being missexed doesn't itsself bother me.

ColinKnocksTwoPence · 18/08/2019 15:10

I'm only 4"11 and I've often been mistaken for a boy. it doesn't bother me in the slightest.
I could understand it when I was younger as I've always had short hair and usually dressed in jeans but I would have thought that the 32G chest was a giveaway.!

picklemepopcorn · 18/08/2019 15:01

No never.

I have mistaken an 11 year old boy for a girl- he had beautiful eyelashes and hair.

It's really rare that I'd have any doubt. I was with a friend at uni who was misgendered at the bar, and felt very put out about it. She had an adolescent boy vibe, but exchange a sentence with her and there'd be no doubt.

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