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Prince Andrew Denies Everything (Again...)

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MockersthefeMANist · 16/08/2019 19:15

And Mandy Rice-Davies is screaming from her grave, Well he would, wouldn't he?

C4 News leading on the Roberts/Giuffre depostion. She claims she had sex with HRH three times in 2001, including once at an orgy, for which she was paid $15,000. Flight logs showing her being delivered by the delightful Ghilaisne Maxwell also enclosed.

Al this was supplied to the Met at the height of the Yewtree fuss, but they seemed far too busy chasing Cliff richard and Paul Gambaccini to take very much interest.

This isn't going to go away.

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Passthecherrycoke · 17/08/2019 19:00

“Ghislaine Maxwell is 'apparently outside the reach of investigators' - what on Earth does that mean?”

Plea deal? Makes Senss

JoySuckClub · 17/08/2019 16:19

www.dailyherald.com/news/20190813/britains-prince-andrew-faces-new-scrutiny-for-ties-to-jeffrey-epstein

decent summary of duke's alleged involvement here - article also states that Ghislaine Maxwell is 'apparently outside the reach of investigators' - what on Earth does that mean? She has been photographed in L.A after some time laying low having sold her home. She is named in Farmer's suit. Why is she outside anyone's reach? Will she not be appearing in court soon?

JoySuckClub · 17/08/2019 13:36

supergranscape sources and evidence rather than hearsay - the fishing expedition didn't even lead to arrest let alone conviction - why could Kitty and Gladys not just have been spending time together rather than being branded letchers? Not all regular guests would have been nonces.

Ghislaine Maxwell has already served 13 months for soliciting a minor for prostitution. She recently tried to keep documents sealed that were part of a suit by Virginia Giuffre.
Having been named in the 2019 action (sexual assault) I would hope that this leads to another court appearance (she paid off another accuser in 2017). As Epstein's alleged 'Madam'/procurer/fellow assaulter she was allegedly teaching a 17 year old how to do blow jobs and allegedly helping molest a 15 year old on a massage table.
She would have been 40 (Guiffre was 17) and 35 (Farmer's sister was 15) at the time.

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MockersthefeMANist · 17/08/2019 10:51

And there is 'Conveying a minor across a state line for immoral purposes,' see Chuck Berry etc.

Maxwell fille is in doodoo as deep as Papa when he fell off her namesake.

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Fraggling · 17/08/2019 10:44

Age of consent 18 in a fair few states I believe

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MockersthefeMANist · 17/08/2019 10:43

Remember though even if a victim is of the age of consent that doesn't apply to those in a position of authority.

Another 2003 law, and this was 2001.

HRH has broken no UK law. If the case is upheld in the US courts, then the veracity of his depositions come into question, but they were ruled inadmissable in the first place so he would be in the clear. But embarrassed.

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DanaPhoenix · 17/08/2019 10:26

Age of consent varies by law in different locations throughout the world.
Remember though even if a victim is of the age of consent that doesn't apply to those in a position of authority. Frankly, there's quite a good argument that HRH is an authority figure considering how powerful his family is.

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MockersthefeMANist · 17/08/2019 10:23

The question in this case is what was illegal in 2001. Paying for sex with a child (under 18) or causing a child (under 18) to be trafficked or coerced into sex became crimes in 2003.

Not sure that Maxwell is in the clear regards trafficking for the purposes of prostitution, livng off immoral earnings etc.

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noodlenosefraggle · 17/08/2019 10:15

The bracket doesn't make sense sorry!

noodlenosefraggle · 17/08/2019 10:14

The alleged victim said she was paid £15,000 to have sex with him. I suppose it could have been paid by Epstein, but that makes a mockery of the law, if someone (Not Andrew of course) can be bought by someone else for their friends ' use.

Juells · 17/08/2019 10:09

Isn't it illegal to pay for sex with a trafficking victim?

Who says he did?

Meghan Markle with her actressy ways.

🤣

noodlenosefraggle · 17/08/2019 10:01

Isn't it illegal to pay for sex with a trafficking victim? I don't doubt that any feeble excuse will be accepted in his defence, or he will just say he didnt know shec was trafficked at the time and that will be it.He was willing to be friends with a convicted sex offender, so I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't know because he couldn't care less or because he willfully avoided knowing. He's almost as sleazy as Meghan Markle with her actressy ways.

Juells · 17/08/2019 10:01

I'm surprised that this thread is allowed to stand. I'm Irish, can't understand the British attitude to royalty, but if he happened to be Joe Blow from Tooting Bec posters wouldn't be gaily accusing him of heinous doings for fear of being sued.

GreyGardens88 · 17/08/2019 09:56

The Crown must always win

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MockersthefeMANist · 17/08/2019 09:51

Here we are. Only five people work at C4 News and it takes them a day to put the stories up:

www.channel4.com/news/exclusive-met-police-decided-not-to-conduct-full-investigation-into-court-claims-of-sex-trafficking-of-girl-in-prince-andrew-photo

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MockersthefeMANist · 17/08/2019 09:38

HRH will not be above the law in the US civil courts where he will be named in procedings. He has broken no law. But it is all a bit embarrasing.

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feelingverylazytoday · 17/08/2019 08:25

He'll be above the law
He doesn't appear to have broken any law as it stood at the time, so what's the point of harping on about it? It's just a waste of time.
He's obviously as sleazy AF, everyone knows it already, but no one gets banged up just for being sleazy.

MedalMedalMedal · 17/08/2019 07:56

He’ll be above the law. Nothing will happen, being royal and rich he’ll be protected. If it comes to his word against hers his will be the one they believe. Sickening. How indeed does he explain that photo? Hmm

BertrandRussell · 17/08/2019 07:56

What’s the problem? It’s not as if he wore the wrong colored nail varnish, and i’m sure we know who his children’s god parents are.......

flamingjune123 · 17/08/2019 07:49

What crime would Andrew have committed? The girl was 17, he will clearly say he had no idea that money changed hands and the girl may have appeared a willing partner
Sorry if I sound dense

origamiunicorn · 17/08/2019 07:43

What I don't understand, I've been following this best I can but might have missed something, is I read an article yesterday saying they found that Maxwell woman in L.A at a restaurant but that seems to have been it, they took a photo of her reading some book at a table. Why wasn't she brought in for questioning at the very least?

TheBigBallOfOil · 17/08/2019 07:36

Loved that column of marina’s. She nails it every time.
I have seen the photo. What’s the horrible little turd’s story for what was going on there?

Needmoresleep · 17/08/2019 07:32

It looks like James Patterson, the novelist and a Florida neighbour of Epstein's, has been curious about comings and goings for a while. He, and co-author John Connolly, are likely to have more they have felt able to publish so far, and will have the clout to get future material out.

Extracts from their book looking at where the girls came from are in the Mail today. It is important to consider the victims as much as the perpetrators.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7365641/JAMES-PATTERSONs-true-life-probe-shocking-behaviour-Jeffrey-Epstein.html

Supergranscape · 17/08/2019 07:09

Google Kitty + Elm house. I believe the abuse continued over the years and still goes on. There will be links with the USA which Yewtree will have uncovered. Elm house may have been a safe space for the rich and powerful but what allegedly went on there with minors is horrific. A huge complicit web of abuse.

Prince Andrew was warned years ago about his friendship with Epstein who it is now alleged was possibly murdered. The powerful and rich will use dark forces to cover it all up and try to silence the victims. I think a lot more will come out about this.

FuckFacePlatapus · 17/08/2019 03:19

He will never own up because he knows the 'Firm' will cover his arse. He knocks me sick.