Interesting Twitter poll/thread asking straight men if they would date a TW

Men gay or straight can say whatever they like about whoever they like. Because it's their world and the internet reflects that. Women have to be very careful because it's not our world. We are tolerated, never entirely accepted. As Germaine Greer put it, we are living in the house of the enemy.

^ If I were still young single woman looking for a partner
Oh, and also I'm not attracted to women. I'm not lesbian.
Pheromones. You can't fake it.

If I were still young single woman looking for a partner I wouldn't even consider a TM.
Reason: I would be looking for a "forever" partner with a view to love, marriage and children.
I would be lookig for a father to my future children.
Yes, we could adopt and sometimes even with a real man it doesn't work out but the "children" thing was always important to me. I never dated for sex. Remember, I'm a prude!

2Rebecca do trans people actually have any meaningful psychological input at gender clinics? Genuine question - I would have thought that smacks of aversion therapy to some. One of the problems seems to be that people are led to have unrealistic expectations of what life will be like post transition. I think you're a GP? I've read that post-bariatric surgery patients have a high (attempted) suicide risk, possibly for similar reasons: they think life will become perfect post op, clearly it doesn't. Expectations need managing realistically.

I know one young gay man who say they hate trans men going to their clubs & they ignore them. As others had said, lots of men prepared to have sex with TW just are not fussy about where they put it and TW probably have quite some novelty value for them, sadly.

However, i think few of the men who say they are happy to shag in these categories believe they are planning to shag women.

I think there's a substantial minority of men who are happy to shag basically anything. A sex doll,a sheep, a hole in the wall. Why would they care what gender ID a person had so long as they have an orifice (any orifice) that can be shafted?

Sorry for being so crude. But I think it's true.
I've seen quite a few "any port in a storm" type comments on threads in dubious places like reddit and Kiwi.

I don’t know much about 4chan, but it has a reputation for alt-right content.

Not really sure what 4chan is, but are you saying it's satirical?

It's so hard to tell now.

That image has been identified as sourced from 4chan on the related Twitter thread, 70sWitch.

Saw this on fb recently. They are ramping up on straight men.

That'll go well then.

Hanging out on hookup sites has taught me just how many men have profile pictures featuring their penis in lacy knickers and framed by stockings (spoiler: a lot) and how many men presenting as straight say they are happy to meet women, transvestites and transgender people for sex (spoiler: a small but significant minority - more will say they will consider any category and present as bi).

However, i think few of the men who say they are happy to shag in these categories believe they are planning to shag women. And in some ways thats more interesting to me. How many transwomen would be happy to have sex with a man who wants to have sex with them but doesn't see them as a woman?

I do wonder wtf the psychologists working at gender clinics say to people wanting to transition if they don't suggest to women wanting to be men who are sexually attracted to men that transitioning dramatically reduces their attractiveness to males and maybe being an androgynous woman like Annie Lennox is worth a try.

The annoying/angering thing is that gay men make it obvious they are only interested in males (because they are homosexual, should be self evident but isn't) and don't get any where near the grief lesbians declaring publicly that they are only interested in females get.

There is something blackly comic about that poor girl going to the only party in town where no men want to have sex with her. And yes, croneinamillion is right, this is the fault of Stonewall and others filling her head with ridiculous nonsense that denies reality.

I suspect even the small percentage who voted ‘yes’ is made up if woke blokes thinking ‘Yes, in theory, if the right transwoman came along’ knowing they are never going to meet that ‘right transwoman’.

Looks like gay men aren't too keen on "gay" trans men otherwise known as heterosexual young women either

twitter.com/croneinamillion/status/1162630256571965445?s=21

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I'm a straight woman and i kinda fancy Fionne too.
She's lovely inside and out, bless her.

And I know i'm not the first person on FWR to say that.

I hope that thread has been spotted by Harrytheowl.

If I was a gay bloke who liked feminine men I can imagine being attracted to Fionne who is very pretty but not a similar looking transwoman. With Fionne you wouldn't have to pretend he's something he's not and pretend to be in a heterosexual relationship.
As a mainly heterowoman I wouldn't date a transman, again it's the pretending to be something you're not. I'd rather date a male man or a butch lesbian if I wanted to date a female.

I spent a while on Twitter last night reading the responses. It was both boring and frustrating.

It was obvious that a huge percentage of the straight men responding had no qualms or confusion. They stated the sex of transwomen openly as the fact it is. Fact, not hate.

But then of course, there were all the testerical posters shrieking about how it WAS hate and that every single man who’d answered that they wouldn’t because TW were men, or that they were straight were transphobic.

It was fucking irritating to see it repeated over and over in the face of the overwhelmingly factual response from the straight men.

That the testeria is coming from a tiny, footstamping minority with an overpowering sense of their own self-importance has never been cleare, but the sheer, brazen insistence was wearisome.

As I recall the men of Vintage Gay Toronto when the matter came up said something along the lines of 'our space is for gay men, not dysphoric women' and their spokesman added 'I have little care or concern for the opinions of trans activists, you can quote me'

If I remember right he popped up on the Mumsnet thread about it to say hello!

I was messaged to say it was 95% no for a long time then hijacked by trans

That seems far more realistic. If 15% of straight men would date male transpeople they'd have a huge dating pool and not be complaining about not getting dates.

All of them. Every single one
And every single one will get banned from twitter

That’s how it works isn’t it ?

It may also be that some woke straight men would claim in a survey that they would of course date a TW because they feel that's what they should say, but be reluctant to in RL.

Also, finding a TW attractive on the surface is not the same as dating with the potential for sex.

I wonder how many of those men will be arrested 🤔

I saw a reply from Fionne Orlander which to me suggests that Fionne (who knows he is male) dates men.
I guess I'm curious as to whether a man who dates a feminine appearing transsexual would also date a) a less feminine gay man or b) a transwoman who says they are a woman or c) a woman whether she's "feminine" or not.

Pure nosyness I'm afraid!