Two trans journalists quit The Guardian, citing transphobia

Shona Craven is a brilliant advocate for the sex based rights of women and girls.

Forgot to thank you for those links TerryLeather. Am very impressed!

I was listening to ‘more or less’ and their book turns out to be built on her misunderstanding of historical info. Sheesh even I knew that her stats were incorrect (keen reader of history). Even the guardian floated (but then she is a womanly woman):

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/books/2019/may/24/naomi-wolf-admits-blunder-over-victorians-and-sodomy-executions

The New York Times book reviewer wasn't terribly impressed with her last book, or indeed with any of her output. www.nytimes.com/2019/06/05/books/review-outrages-naomi-wolf.html

Re Naomi Wolf, here is another review of her Edinburgh Book Festival appearance.

www.reviewsphere.org/news/review-what-is-gender-in-the-21st-century/

Hm, no, still can't access it, unfortunately. I think I got the gist of Wolf's waffle from the tweets, though.

It might be that there's a limit of how many articles a month one can read and I've reached it? Hold on ...

Looks like it MoleSmokes. I have noticed that when posters share articles from The Times the share tokens have a time limit so perhaps this was the same. Interesting that the SNP seems to have become a bit less woke. Is this the influence of the excellent Joan McAlpine and Joanna Cherry et al?

@ScrimshawTheSecond and @nettie434 I haven't paid a penny to anyone and I can read this:

www.thenational.scot/news/17840656.feel-betrayed-woman-behind-myth/

Have they changed the access since it was published?

Science has the Hadron Collider, TRAs have the Hyperbole Collider

Reading that thread Wolf comes across as an absolute muppet with not the slightest clue.

'Buddhists would say we've all been everything, you know' (Craven quoting Wolf)

She sounds like a teenager with a very shallow and shaky grasp of various ideas, throwing them all together in a slapdash manner in an effort to prop up a vague ideology she hasn't really examined.

thanks, nettie. Yes, Craven is great.

Shona Craven is a brilliant advocate for the sex based rights of women and girls.

She is the journalist who wrote to Glasgow Life ( Glasgow City Council) regarding their policy of self ID and mixed sex toilets/ changing rooms at venues in the city that amongst other things allows men into the women's toilets at The Tramway Theatre in Glasgow.

How she was treated when she complained about there being a man in the toilets while she herself was using them is detailed below:

twitter.com/shonacraven/status/1150713873621823488

And for those who missed it, here's a thread from earlier this year about Glasgow Life's policy of letting males access women's spaces as and when they please and what happened when a complaint was made:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3567671-My-complaint-to-Glasgow-Life-re-sports-centres

existentially don’t think anyone has the right to tell anyone else what gender they should be

No, I'm triggered Ms Wolf

No one is saying what GENDER people should be, we are pointing out what SEX they actually are!

And actually the right to sex based protections is part of law.

I’d like to read it too scrimshaw but don’t want to sign up and have to pay. I took a look at Shona Craven’s twitter though. (She’s the journalist who wrote the article for anyone who doesn’t want to click Scrimshaw’s link).

twitter.com/shonacraven/status/1161563991505854464?s=21

Now Shona’s tweets are definitely worth a read. They seem to give a good flavour of the article.

Is Naomi Wolf stupid or something? I know she completely ballsed up with her last book by completely misinterpreting the Old Bailey records (something which a competent historian could have put her right on). So she's certainly careless. It's kind of astonishing that she can't even grasp why so many feminists have concerns about trans activism. It's not intellectually difficult, after all.

As a side note, I am slowly but surely peaking my ultra woke friend who works for the BBC.

It's interesting to watch the penny dropping and her becoming aware of things she was totally oblivious to.

On this and other subjects.

Ach, I'd really like to read this article but I'm not subscribing to The National: www.thenational.scot/news/17840656.feel-betrayed-woman-behind-myth/

I thought The Beauty Myth was excellent but was (sadly) not too surprised at her tweet.

I was struck by one of the replies in particular. It reported that for the first time in years the proportion of young American women describing themselves as uncomfortable with LGBT people had risen to over 60% from around 50%. The tweeter questioned whether the policies of trans women in college sports and non segregated lavatories had contributed to the rise. I was amazed by that statistic. It was already high. Just made me wonder if organisations making wholesale changes without consultation (like Leeds Council) are actually creating a backlash. Anyway, if Naomi reads that reply perhaps she will begin to question that ‘Bleurgh, British feminists are so transphobic’ myth that Guardian USA etc like so much.

Dr Naomi Wolf @naomirwolf
I’ll certainly read more as always. I just don’t see trans women as this kind of threat and existentially don’t think anyone has the right to tell anyone else what gender they should be. In my read of politics this kind of furor is almost always a distraction from something else.

She doesn't know a lot about politics.

Late to this thread, but can I just add

Noticing that trans rights sometimes "collide" with women's rights equals denying my humanity

Science has the Hadron Collider, TRAs have the Hyperbole Collider

Wolf can’t tell the living from the dead so I’m not surprised she can’t tell men from women.

She had her arse handed to her over her latest book.

Naomi Wolf can't fathom it???

I would think Ms Wolf was too busy taking a course in 'how to get the basic thesis of your book right before publishing' to castigate British women. Apparently not.

I'm surprised Naomi Wolf has that much time on her hands. She does a lot of retweeting. Does she say anywhere what she objected to? Ed book festival is pretty woke. They were wary of us in our adult human female tshirts last year so I don't see it transforming in to GC central but pleased if it has