Stonewall have updated their definition of transgender.

Damn, BigBALLOfOil, apologies.

Not feminine at all, TheBigBagOfOil.

You must be trans too, along with the entire human race!

Ps am I trans yet? Offering people out isn’t very feminine now is it? IS IT???

I’m sorry but I have to take issue with the suggestion that being Scottish makes you more northern than northern people.
Would you like to take this outside?

I don't even possess a skirt, or dress, or make up.

I loathe shopping to the point I've been known to stand and shout at people in the middle of ASDA (I'm not proud of this but it happened).

I prefer watching UFC to soap operas.

I do all the painting and decorating round here.

I have a degree in a physical science.

As I'm Scottish I'm even more northern than northern women.

I'm clearly more transgender than thou.

(this is a competition, right?)

I too would like to know what that list is.

I would genuinely like one of our visitors to advise us.

I've been asking for The List for years, Datun

Glad I didn't hold my breath.

It should exist and it should be the first thing gone through with a counsellor for anyone who thinks they are trans. With a big fat red pen to strike out everything that can be fought by what feminists have been doing for years. Then they can decide whether they are trans or actually a feminist.

I like sci fi and I like reading the paper on loo. I'm deffo transgender.

Just to reiterate, I really, honestly would like a list of the stereotypes.

I'd like to know what Stonewall thinks are typically female and typically male roles.

They clearly have some idea, because they are deciding that non-conformity means something. So let's have it. What roles do Stonewall consider should be assigned to men and women, in order that we may understand why someone might be trans when they say they need a different label, because they don't conform to them.

Well that says rather more about the experience of Meg John in the bedroom than perhaps they realise....

Can't we have a whip round and send her on the freedom programme?

Was it Meg-John, the paramour of Edward Lord?

Who also said clitorises and penises were virtually interchangeable, apart from size/length.

Who was it who tried to write the list of stereotypes and came up with the BS about northern women?
As I recall everyone more or laughed themselves sick, this northern woman included

trans is something to do with not obeying gender norms
(which are not compulsory
and no one knows exactly what they are anyway and they're fluid over time and place)
but it definitely means men can be women and take over their spaces and sports
(although women is a word no one can define and no one knows what that means either)

What happens if you keep obeying the gender norms of infiltrating women's spaces, talking over them, telling them to shut up, expecting them to accommodate your slightest desire and just acting generally entitled?

I’m wearing trousers today.

#stunningandbrave

'computers' were originally women.

My laptop is trans.

Just to recap then since it changes pretty much hourly now:

The official LGBT self appointed trainer and adviser on national policy states that:

trans is something to do with not obeying gender norms
(which are not compulsory
and no one knows exactly what they are anyway and they're fluid over time and place)
but it definitely means men can be women and take over their spaces and sports
(although women is a word no one can define and no one knows what that means either)

dear God it's getting embarrassing to be British. Has anyone checked whether Stonewall's had a hand in Brexit? Is that why it's such a total mess?

I'm female, wear trousers and like IT so I must also be Trans. All my friends must be Trans too, as there isn't a stereotypical person amongst them!

But if I identify someone else as not trans, is that ok too?

They need to supply The List Of Stereotypes, so we know whether we're trans or not, then.

Is the Northern Women one the only one in existence?

So the word 'trans' is rendered totally meaningless, since no one knows exactly what these 'stereotypes' are and practically no one obeys them anyway. Everyone gay (hello Stonewall, remember them?) is disobeying their sex 'norms' by being gay, and argued that they're still men and women like everyone else.

This has passed from the realms of just sensible enough to get listened to and be debated into obvious silliness. And it's no bad thing that being a Stonewall 'champion' is rapidly becoming something to be really embarrassed about.

THEy are also encouraging a new GRA campaign

I'm a single parent who fulfills both traditional roles by cooking, cleaning, doing DIY, dishing out discipline, working full time, paying the bills and sewing. I'm delighted to learn I can tick the Transgender box now. In fact, I'm maybe pansexual or omni sexual or asexual. Who knows what I will be next week?

How can anything like that be constantly updated?

Probably necessary when you are busy hauling those goal posts all over the place.

How can anything like that be constantly updated? It either is something, or it isn't. Wankers.

I'd also like a list of gender norms. A bloody, bollocking list.

People talk about stereotypes all the time time, but none of these trans organisations list them. Because they know, they absolutely know that if they said them out loud, people would go what the fucking fuck are you talking about?

Thanks for the links! It's pretty old though so not an updated definition by any stretch of the imagination. Still... It shows the absurd thinking behind it.