Stonewall have updated their definition of transgender.

I've just had a good look on the Stonewall website and there is nothing about a new definition for transgender.
I think someone is having a laugh!

So according to that map I’m more northern than DH. This is fucking dynamite. Thanks neuro

Ah but Arnold. One could argue that the actual real border is Hadrian's wall.

Archaeologists would agree on that. Stone and bones don't lie.

So I’ve just spoken to dh about this and he says it’s very simple. Derbyshire, Staffs and Notts are all midlands. As is Lincolnshire. But then he is a total Yorkshire fascist. Perhaps I should LTB.

Scone fight!

... on the (Sloe Gin) Prosecco stormfront!

Forget the GRA, this is the real issue

If you 'll forgive an intrusion into South of the Border matters which are not part of my 'lived experience' it strikes me that the problem with South of the Border is the lack of defined boundaries.

If you had proper fault lines like we North of the Border types do it would be clear who is South, who Central and who Northern.

Then you could concentrate on calling each other your equivalent of Sassenachs and Teauchters without worrying about who is which.

if it depends on how you are perceived then that goes both ways. I'm ok with that.

Excellent point.

I used to think that Manchester and the peaks were north till I ended up north of the Tyne.

Chillier in the Peaks mind you, on account of their height n that. T'Elevation counts n all. Snow in June and all that.

Of course we all know the acid test is how you eat and say scone...

"That includes people who do not self-identify as trans, but are perceived as such by others"
But that would also mean that if I perceive a transwoman as a man, that they are a man, right? Because if it depends on how you are perceived then that goes both ways. I'm ok with that.

I know where you mean and I think I probably agree.
We should probably map equivalents for all north -south arterial routes. That way we’ll all know where we bloody we’ll stand. Forget the GRA, this is the real issue

(I've definitely given the subject of the NW boundary far to much thought this week, haven't I? )

FFS YES I was physically born in the south and have lived here all my life but I do a mean scouse accent and my uncle's mate's cousin supports Liverpool.

So I guess I identify as Northernfluid.

Unless it's about salaries and then I would like to be Londonweighted please, cheers.

DH and I did have a nerdy conversation about where the NW started on Sunday funnily enough. We were driving between j16 and j15 southbound. Theres a big bend in the road which marks the boundary (if you know the road you'll know where I mean. Big hill in front of you on the southbound carriage then then is to your left). The trees on the Staffordshire side (left) are the giveaway. They go all the way down to Cannock and make up part of the same old woodland. They aren't on the opposite side (right) which is Cheshire.

@TheBigBallOfOil

Ps am I trans yet? Offering people out isn’t very feminine now is it? IS IT???

You're my new favourite you aggressive bastard. Or bitch.

I'd say your funny post made me giggle but that's probably a female stereotype and I used to watch WWF and that's a male stereotype, but was born with female sex organs so I think maybe that makes me trans neutral because I'm not either stereotype. Oh no wait, I'm just me - who happens to be a woman.

Jokes aside your response made me laugh and you sound brilliant so thanks for a glimmer-esque (glinner-esque?!) light in the dark 😊

Ps apologies to salopians- I actually really like Shrewsbury. And Ludlow. Lovely farm shop

I suppose that’s the equivalent of non binary.
Neither nowt nor summat.

Shrewsbury is South of Keele. Its not southern though. Its in the no man's land that neither the North nor South want to claim called 'The Midlands'.

Where do we stand on Shrewsbury?
I say southern.

I’m so Northern I was born at t’foot of our stairs.

I think I am a NRA- I have been defending the rights of Cheshire folk to identify as northern for most of my life.

WTF are you on about? Cheshire is in the North.

It has Roger Johnson and Annabel Tiffin. Only a true Northerner from the NW will understand what this means. What further proof do you need?

If you want an identity issue relating to geographical location then I give you people from Altrincham who put Cheshire on their address (it's in Trafford), or people from Warrington who depending on which side of the Manchester Ship Canal they come from insist on putting Cheshire or Lancashire on their address (it's Warrington unitary authority), or people from St Helens who put Lancashire (its in Merseyside).

Tsk. Where do you think Cheshire is if its not in the North? The North starts just north of Keele Services.

I'm really northern but I also used the word "mate" quite a lot the other day. I feel this makes me northernfluid.
Show me some respect nerfs

Katy kiernan @ katykiernan
So a trans man who embraces and performs all stereotypically male roles and behaviours is not transgender, whereas I am transgender because I don't wear make up and hate romcoms.

Lily Maynard @lilylilymaynard
Good grief, you are right! By that logic you are completely right! My head is spinning

Congratulations Stonewall

Catherine Jenson @csjenson68
^So with that definition I’d be very surprised if there was anyone not transgender.
Which means we’re all transgender.
Which means Stonewall just erased transgender as a distinct group.
...erased, in a puff of logic.^

Stonewall are so transphobic.

Stonewash 😀 it’s not the blind leading the blind any more , it’s worse than that it’s the woke leading the woke.