Stonewall have updated their definition of transgender.

This is still on Stonewall's website so it is still their current definition.

I'm transgender?!! Superb.

Who knew?

This day belongs to all of us.

What a fucking triumph.

I'm running off now to polish off my old-fashioned vagina while I still can.

It's always amused me that people from Leeds think they're northern...

I once had a flatmate from Stourbridge who claimed to be from, "up north".

MN ahead of the curve as usual! We've all known that 99% of the population are Stonewall Trans for aaaaaaaages.

My guess is that someone stumbled on it and assumed it was new, because if they've been saying that for so long why the heck were Stonewall ever taken seriously on trans issues. If politicians etc had actually read that document, how on earth could they parrot the mantra 'trans women are women' ?

So has anything changed or is this still Stonewall’s definition?

That definition is from 2004:

www.stonewall.org.uk/sites/default/files/transgender_booklet_2004.pdf

Someone circulated it without fact checking first.

Well at least they admit its all about stereotypes!

However as i was never a barbie and always been GNC how can i have trana? What did i trans from and too?

Its so bonkers.

Anyone who chooses, for whatever reason, to self-identify as transgender

Bit vague, that.

Melroses you are lucky this is an anonymous board. I’ve got DH spitting tacks here.

The South starts where you start having to lock your car, i.e. Inverness. I suspect I may be a NERF though, I'm so northern we wear coats all year round, and my family think my children with their south of the border "northern" accents sound 'posh'.

So, I've given birth, physically, to babies, who have grown to be adults; but I still undertake light DIY stuff around the house despite males being present, and am bloody wickedly good at reading maps and navigation.

Am I trans??!!!

I used to live in London. When I told my boss I was moving to St Albans she asked why I was moving up north. So the north starts at St Albans as any fule knows. Or is St Albans trans north?

I've always been trans Northern. Can't believe the northphobia here!

I don't always 'come out' in all my trans glory, but I think it's time. I'm a non-binary, agender, trans Northen Scot.

Yes, some people might say, but you're a woman with three kids and chin length hair who applies tinted moisturiser daily, and who lives in the south of a very southern continent, with citizenship of a non-UK nation only. Aren't you actually just a sometimes gender conforming Australian lady ?

But they would be wrong.*

• In the absurd world of 'identity language' I am genuine about the above labels. Plus, my Grandma was Scottish :)

Includes butch women. Surely the fact they identify as women and they are biologically women means they are not trans. Guess I’d best tell my butch girlfriend she’s no longer simply a lesbian but now she’s a trans man. I guess that now makes me straight as well. Can’t keep up with this rubbish.

I can decide that I am transgender

Well, no, we're not allowed to, I suppose we've broken their rules by wanting to get rid of 'stereotypical gender norms' entirely.

This is the full definition:

What does transgender mean?
TRANSGENDER is an inclusive, umbrella term used to describe the diversity of gender identity and expression for all people who do not conform to common ideas of gender roles. This includes:

TRANSSEXUAL is a medical term describing people whose gender and biological sex do not line up, and who often seek medical treatment to bring their body and gender identity into alignment. There are several terms used to commonly describe transsexual people, including MTF (abbreviated term for male to female transsexual people), FTM (abbreviated term for female to male transsexual people) and transman and transwoman (common language terms used to describe FTM and MTF transsexual people).

TRANSVESTITE is a term used to describe people who dress in clothes associated with their opposite sex, as defined by socially accepted norms, but still identify with their biological sex. An erotic transvestite is a person who gets sexually excited by the dressing. A social transvestite, however, simply feels more comfortable in such clothes.

INTERSEX people are born with chromosomal anomalies or ambiguous genitalia. Intersex infants are often assigned a gender and subjected to surgical procedures. Some intersex people develop gender identity issues.

BIGENDERED people have a gender identity that encompasses both genders - masculine and feminine.

The term transgender also includes people who express gender characteristics that don’t correspond with the characteristics traditionally ascribed to the person’s actual or presumed sex. This can include:
• Gender benders • Gender blenders • Drag queens • Drag kings • Butch women
• Effeminate men • Anyone who chooses, for whatever reason, to self-identify as transgender

In the broadest sense, transgender encompasses anyone whose identity or behaviour falls outside of stereotypical gender norms. That includes people who do not self-identify as transgender, but who are perceived as such by others and thus are subject to the same
prejudice, discrimination and physical violence as those who actually identify with any of these categories.

"Anyone who chooses, for whatever reason, to self-identify as transgender"
"people who do not self-identify as transgender, but who are perceived as such by others"

So that covers everyone whether they like it or not.
I can decide that I am transgender and I can decide that you are too.

Someone else posted earlier it was in their leaflet from 2004 (I think).

I've not had time to RTFT but was about to say that - looks like p5 which I've quoted a number of times in the past especially the 'Anyone who chooses, for whatever reason, to self-identify as transgender' clause.

I can't figure out how to do a link to it because the url contains 2 underscores which MN markup mangles. If you google 'bb trangender booklet.qxd' you should be able to find it.

Someone else posted earlier it was in their leaflet from 2004 (I think).

Being from West Central Scotland I consider Northern to be Aberdeen Inverness etc 😜 S o all you England dwellers are Trans northern not cis Northern 😂😜

I started off north of the Tyne which is definitely north and will concede that Manchester is north west, but anything south of that is Midlands (and that includes Altrincham).

S Yorks identifies as northern, but it is Midlands, along with Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire. I have also lived in the Midlands so can tell the difference.

Only the Eastern side of our fair land of England is classed as North. The green lands of Scotland are also up North.

The Western side can say they are North but only if they add the clarifier West.

But I think I can just put on a pinny, do the pots and tell everyone I am a northern lass. I face literal violence nearly everyday when people say 'you're not from round here'

Cheshire is North. Stoke-on-Trent is Midlands. Shrewsbury is South. HTH.