Rachel McKinnon in the UK in October to lecture us on TW in sport!

When I say RM's been asked to speak, she might have suggested it

She's been asked to speak by
www.howtoacademy.com/

They hire different venues. Not that many people attend.

I think RM has simply hired the venue to host the event, I'm not aware that the venue has any say in the speakers or the content.

I also feel quite strongly that the venue should not be pressured about hosting the event, those are TRA tactics and we are better than that.

We are already unfairly portrayed as aggressors (despite all evidence to the contrary), why provide ammunition for further accusations.

I hope Sharron Davis, Daley Thompson et al have booked front row seats.

Let McKinnon try and persuade us to come round to their POV....the GC side has nothing to be afraid of by letting them speak.

I think it's wrong to challenge McKinnon's right to speak. That is what McKinnon and her ilk do to to women - challenge our right to a voice, to a presence, to have an opinion. It's the threats and violence and picketing and #nodebate that have led people to see what a fraud the whole thing is, only held up by an artifice of coercive control and bullying.
Let McKinnon speak (and maybe repeat their charming "die in a grease fire" threat to women) while we challenge the lies and misinformation in the way we have been doing - with facts, opinions and with our voices.

I just asked that they included someone to put the opposing view.
The talk I went to didn't put an opposing view during the talk. The host (Liddle) asked up two or three (?) pre-arranged guests to support his opinion. At the end, there was a session of questions from the audience. That is perhaps the formula for the series of talks.

I would disagree strongly with the idea of trying to stop McKinnon speak.
Democracy relies on open debate. Women have been silenced. Lets fight against that. It should soon become clear that we have the better arguments.

I didn't ask them to stop the talk. I agree with you. I just asked that they included someone to put the opposing view.

I've nothing against the venue holding this. I went to a talk by Rod Liddle on Freedom of Speech held by the How to Academy. (Got a v cheap ticket), in which he mentioned the trans issue and how they tried to shut down debate. Why get the venue to stop the talk? There won't be many people there, and those who do will be able to see for themselves.

done much to shift attitudes in the world of international sport and beyond
McKinnon has certainly shifted my attitude, but maybe not in the direction they would like

Thanks all. I tried to look it up but everything seemed to want me to sign in.
Writing to the venue now.

Yes, MsMc Cos RMckself is so proud of it they have made sure it is freely available

uwspace.uwaterloo.ca/handle/10012/6619

Most writers on the topic have consequently proposed factive norms of assertion – ones on which truth is a necessary condition for the proper performance of an assertion. However, I argue that this view is mistaken. = most people think that being truthful is essential if you are to be believed. I, however, disagree!

I was just thinking of that when I saw the speech title.

Reasonable Assertions: On Norms of Assertion and Why You Don't Need to Know What You're Talking About
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Looks like the sprint finals for her age group (because let's face it, she'll get into the finals) will be on the Saturday.

Does anyone have the full title of Rachel's dissertation handy?

www.cyclingmasters.com/site/spectators/ticket-information

At £11 it's cheaper than £25 for those of us northerners, and the money will be going back into sport rather than in RMcK's pocket...

Thanks chock. Good to get your professional input on this

public intellectual? Nearly spat out my tea!
Chock- if she is a trip out may be nice :-)

TRAs hold a meeting, and feminists do nothing. No threats, no lies, no physical blockading or disruptive protests.

We don't need to, because no one is going to pay £25 to listen to McKinnon speak.

When feminists hold an event, they and the venue get deluged by threats and libels. They end up holding meetings at secret locations, which TRAs - the very people doing the bombarding and libelling - claim proves that feminists are evil.

TRAs hold a meeting, and feminists do nothing. No threats, no lies, no physical blockading or disruptive protests. Feminists believe in encountering ideas with ideas, not with censorship.

So, TRAs - who are the baddies here?

I wonder if she'll be competing in Manchester? The NCC is virtually empty when the Masters is on, so plenty of space to heckle. (It's that quiet that the woman who sells the event cycling jerseys does her knitting and usually finishes a whole jersey!).

Wouldn't it be awful if the venue got a whole load of emails/phone call/visits illustrating (with proof, of which we have much) how McKinnon has repeatedly, consistently and persistently abused, threatened and othered women as part of an ongoing campaign of hate and intimidation to claw their way to the top of the women's category when they couldn't succeed in the men's sport?

Let's do it.

… but of course I'd be delighted to pay £30 to be gaslit by the ravings of somebody who's blocked me on Twitter

Internationally renowned. Yeah right

To be fair, LittleFairywren, McKinnon IS internationally renowned.

Just not in the way that McKinnon would prefer cheating and misogyny vs sporting excellence

Well. This'll go down like a cup of cold sick