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If you ever wanted proof that TRA is the same MRA check this out.

183 replies

TRAMRA · 12/08/2019 19:28

A man. A man who looks like a man, and identifies as a man,
isn't allowed in a women's changing room. How terribly transphobic and sexist. Read the comments and the way he ignores women's concerns, as even if 1 out of a 1000 men, (he kind of forgets who he is meant to be championing here) was bad you shouldn't be able to tar all of male kind with the same brush. one out of a thousand eh? Hmm.

It's all so thinly disguised isn't it?

Well done to the Primark staff who decided that a man demanding he be allowed in a changing room with a young girl, is the last man who should be allowed in.

medium.com/@RJameson/a-recent-experience-has-opened-my-eyes-to-transphobic-bigotry-f5005a4e6497

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Bespin · 13/08/2019 07:30

what an idiot.

JustbeaDentist · 13/08/2019 07:24

At my local Primark, there's a big disabled changing room which is also used for family changing, nappy changing etc. The staff there are lovely. In fact, so lovely that I sent a note to their head office to highlight how appreciative I was.
As if they were covering up their name badges, he probably didn't think to check their names so is finding a way to blame them.
NAshortMALT, but all of the angry, petty men I know are short. He seems that type.

2BthatUnnoticed · 13/08/2019 06:26

~ Sorry I think the comment I was referring to was in Medium, not MN - as you were Blush

2BthatUnnoticed · 13/08/2019 06:24

In response to someone upthread (sorry on phone so can’t copy it).

I’m somewhat GNC and in my younger days, did occasionally get an “um..?” in the ladies, from someone thinking I was male.

I just explained I’m not (voice makes it obvious) and everything was fine. I certainly wasn’t traumatised by it and none of the butch lesbians I know, are - it sometimes happens, you deal with it. Why all the dramaz over a simple exchange Confused

And don’t call women c*s - unless they ID that way (not me).

IMissGluten · 13/08/2019 06:03

One of the last people I'd want in a women's fitting room is a man who wants to be in a women's fitting room. With all the (as far as I know) normal decent blokes I know, the conversation would go as follows:

Shop assistant — "Sorry, I know the sign's misleading but this is actually the ladies' fitting room? You can't go in."

Man — "Oh, I'm sorry. Is there a fitting room I can use with my daughter? She'll need a hand with some of the fastenings."

SA — a. "Yes, of course, there are some individual rooms."

  — b. "Well, as she's under x years old you're welcome to take her into the gents' fitting rooms."

or

  — c. "No, but the staff will be happy to help if she asks."

Man —

At no point would the men I know contemplate going into the women's fitting rooms. It's just not done — it makes the women feel uncomfortable, and it makes any decent man feel uncomfortable, not least because he doesn't want to make the women feel uncomfortable. Like, empathy and shit. Do genderwarriors not feel empathy?

GirlDownUnder · 13/08/2019 05:38

From Pikapikachu's link, I’d say ‘hunting’ is the motivation to accessing women’s changing rooms.

“Isn’t it reasonable for a male, for example, to hunt for a fertile young woman..”

2BthatUnnoticed · 13/08/2019 03:28

There is a glaring flaw in his argument.

  1. He doesn’t want to take his daughter into the men’s space. Why not? She might see a man. And he knows m girls prefer a male-free space.
  1. But if he takes his daughter into the women’s space, the women and girls there will see a man - him. What about their male-free space?

Good on the Dad he told him to stay out, as he was himself doing.

FWRLurker · 13/08/2019 02:12

Why couldn’t he take his daughter to the men’s? As he says NAMALT, so surely she would be safe in there anyway? Oh wait....

It’s boggling. Obviously if you asked her, and he probably did, she would say “I can’t change in there, some strange man might see me”! And yet other people’s daughters wanting privacy well fuck them, those sexist bigots eh?

How can he have a daughter and be this blind?

joyfullittlehippo · 13/08/2019 01:15

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scotsheather · 13/08/2019 01:02

Commneter saying It’s not just trans women who suffer this: even cis women have been subjected to it because they “don’t look feminine enough” by anti-trans activists.

Seriously? I've had double takes the odd time as I'm not particularly feminine but never triple takes as you can tell quite easily.

scotsheather · 13/08/2019 00:58

With his own daughter may be one thing, but another man was obviously concerned about his own daughter in there. Big clue. He could have asked a female attendant to help his daughter in the circumstances if really necessary.

AnotherAdultHumanFemale · 13/08/2019 00:52

Do these people ever wonder why we have sex segregated places in the first place? It's like they've never heard of women getting raped, of safeguarding. Like a weird collective amnesia that leads to 'hang on, why do you have female only changing rooms? How dare you exclude us from them! We need access to everywhere at all times! Safety is transphobic!'

AnotherAdultHumanFemale · 13/08/2019 00:42

What an eejit.

BrylcreamBeret · 13/08/2019 00:38

"It seems that if you’re biologically male, some people see nothing wrong at all in making all sorts of hideous assumptions about you."

That works both ways mate.

It seems that if you’re biologically female, some people see nothing wrong at all in making all sorts of hideous assumptions about you. (like thinking they have unlimited access to our bodies, lives and private spaces - just because we're female
You knobber.

MsJeminaPuddleduck · 13/08/2019 00:30

Ooh .. don't know why that post went half into bold text - how strange!

MsJeminaPuddleduck · 13/08/2019 00:29

Either his daughter is fictitious or he's a really sh*tty dad if this dilemma has only just cropped up.

Are we to believe that he's been forcing his way into the ladies all these yrs to changes her nappy and help her pee? Presumably not, so he's either being disingenuous, was totally uninvolved as a parent or already knows the answer to his starting question of which changing rooms to use

What a d*ck

thatwouldbeanecumenicalmatter · 13/08/2019 00:27

What, when you really bother to think about it, is actually wrong with being a sexual predator?

but what’s wrong with being a pervert?

Hmm

He writes in such depth about both, it makes you wonder how he's such an expert on creeps 🤔

TheInebriati · 13/08/2019 00:03

Every time someone cried 'But no man would ever go to all the trouble to identify as trans or AGP to access female only spaces', we can link to his blog.
Unless trans activists brigade him for appropriating their experiences and he's forced to delete it and wear a hair shirt.

OvaHere · 12/08/2019 23:53

What a dangerous man. I hope his daughter is fictitious.

placemats · 12/08/2019 23:34

This man identified his daughter as female. At birth.

He's obviously a transphobic nobhead.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 12/08/2019 23:15

He really does hate woman

And I mean real women

What a disgusting person he is, sadly have come across many men like this who justify their hatred for women by trying to make out their are the ones who are reasonable

Mmm one wonders if he has been called a sexual predator on more than one occasion- I can’t think of anyone who would question this term and we all know what it means

Coffeeandchocolate9 · 12/08/2019 23:07

So he'd be perfectly fine if his daughter didn't need help but he saw another bloke wandering in to the women's changing room would he?

KatvonHostileExtremist · 12/08/2019 23:06

This was exactly the same arguement used by the dickhead dad who came into the woman's open changing area at my local swimming pool.

He couldn't be arsed to find the family cubicle.

We were all naked! Completely naked. But you know, his rights. Bloody grrrrrrrrrr.

MargueritaBlue · 12/08/2019 22:59

Two customers intervened in our conversation — but not on my side. One man intervened to ask me to step away from the entrance to the fitting room, because his daughter was in there

And that gave him no pause for thought?

TeamUnicorn · 12/08/2019 22:47

I did consider that surely no man with a daughter would think link that. But nothing surprises me anymore.

One thing I do know is daughter or no daughter he is still a tool.