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If you ever wanted proof that TRA is the same MRA check this out.

183 replies

TRAMRA · 12/08/2019 19:28

A man. A man who looks like a man, and identifies as a man,
isn't allowed in a women's changing room. How terribly transphobic and sexist. Read the comments and the way he ignores women's concerns, as even if 1 out of a 1000 men, (he kind of forgets who he is meant to be championing here) was bad you shouldn't be able to tar all of male kind with the same brush. one out of a thousand eh? Hmm.

It's all so thinly disguised isn't it?

Well done to the Primark staff who decided that a man demanding he be allowed in a changing room with a young girl, is the last man who should be allowed in.

medium.com/@RJameson/a-recent-experience-has-opened-my-eyes-to-transphobic-bigotry-f5005a4e6497

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Trohmaniac · 14/08/2019 17:46

Having seen the other articles he's written, I doubt that he even has a daughter or that he visited Primark - he writes steaming turds generally, so why would this latest article be any different.

JellySlice · 14/08/2019 17:44

Quite encouraging that actual staff behaved with common sense and protected women's privacy. Though maybe they would have let him swan through had he said the magic words "I identify as her mother".

Besides, it's probably bollocks that there wasn't a changing room that he could enter with his daughter. Primark often has a families' fitting room, as well as token men's and women's fitting rooms.

LittleFairywren · 14/08/2019 17:38

So many disgusting perverts hiding in plain sight.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 14/08/2019 17:26

Yes, Endo, it certainly worries me.

EndoplasmicReticulum · 14/08/2019 17:08

Scrimshaw that private tuition link is scary. Private tutors do not currently need DBS checks.

Fraggling · 14/08/2019 17:03

If they have proper locking doors rather than curtains I'm less fussed.

Although there's a thing about going out with your mates when young and trying stuff on meeting in front of mirrors having a look and a laugh etc.

I suspect this is the real reason men want in.

Of course girls won't do this if there's men about. So that's a sort of intangible thing lost. The activism is all about, you must let us in, if not, you can't have it either. Standard mra sour grapes.

I think with women's spaces, for lots of women. It still be, don't know what you've got till it's gone.

Fraggling · 14/08/2019 16:59

Thats v interesting indeed.

M and s need to make clear their fitting rooms are unisex.

Again, why the coyness?

ScrimshawTheSecond · 14/08/2019 16:45

This person has also written in defense of Jimmy Saville, and something apparently defending 'under age' sex:

www.goodreads.com/book/show/24084427-savile-and-the-loss-of-innocence

www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01MZ6TRZ1/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_taft_p1_i5?tag=mumsnetforu03-21

And also, by the way, offers private tuition to gifted children: imos.org.uk/Tuition.html

Helmetbymidnight · 14/08/2019 14:36

it took him two long dreary articles to say:

women shouldn't be allowed single-sex spaces.

long-winded fella.

Nyctophilia · 14/08/2019 14:23

I was in Marks &Spencer today with my 14 year old daughter, she went into the female changing room and I stood outside and waited, 2 men walked into the changing rooms so I followed and asked the assistant if these were womens changing rooms, I got the standard line about gender neutral/ discrimination act
My daughter said she felt uncomfortable when she came our and saw them standing there, they were both clearly with their wives/partners but I dont feel that's the point
They have lost my custom as I will never let my child in there again in a state of undress with men in close proximity outside and having been sexually abused myself I wouldn't feel safe

GirlDownUnder · 14/08/2019 14:16

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD

I’m guessing the men you know are decent humans and don’t believe women are for ‘hunting’.

The author has told us who he is:
“Isn’t it reasonable for a male, for example, to hunt for a fertile young woman...”

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 13/08/2019 21:27

Why is it that the men in my family (late dad and granddads, brother , husband, son...) all ‘get’ (or ‘got’) the fact that, say, they wouldn’t walk closely behind a single woman on a quite road at night so as not to spook her or make her feel unsafe, or would ask a woman if she was ok if they thought a man was harassing her? What do/did they know that some of his lot don’t?

Deliriumoftheendless · 13/08/2019 19:40

Biscuitorcake
Also, lots of men who don’t get offended by women being cautious, because most of them understand the risk men can be.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 13/08/2019 19:35

R4 on now. Hmmmmm missed the beginning something about the Edinburgh festival - transness is like slavery. Someone called Travis? Them of the Topshop Tantrum? Oh dearie me.

Now a woman (I assume) waffling about fringe show about being queer and the few persons of colour at the fringe bla bla bla.

Because Edinburgh and the fringe is so white, rich and middle class 🙄

So glad I gave it a miss this year. I care this much about gender 👉🏻 ( )

MrsSteveMcDonald · 13/08/2019 19:27

We shouldn't do DBS checks on anyone as it's more important not to make 999 innocent people feel untrusted than to prevent the 1 nasty pervert from raping/murdering a child...

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 13/08/2019 18:53

Awwww those poor menz! Boo hoo. They don’t get it do they - doesn’t matter how you dress it up, a man’s a man or to use my late dads favourite expression ‘you can take the man out of the big but you can’t take the big out of the man’

Floisme · 13/08/2019 18:36

It's not just him either. It seems to me that, with a few honourable exceptions, even otherwise decent men - and I'm not suggesting this guy belongs in that category - have a real problem taking responsibility for male violence and male sexual crime. They seem to think that, as long as they're not perpetrators themselves, then that should be good enough, and that it should be up to women to either sense that they're not going to hurt them, or take the risk.

It doesn't stand up to scrutiny for a nanosecond and I'm really tired of it.

snowbear66 · 13/08/2019 18:31

It's also not illegal to have pics of children in your pc!

Well no it is not but Category 3 offenses can be manga comics or teenage girls posed provocatively fully clothed. That is enough to get a conviction and addition to the sex offenders register if the legal system thinks there is bad intent.
What I was wondering was whether these two worlds will collide as in men entering women’s changing rooms may be called out by this legislation.

RoyalCorgi · 13/08/2019 18:25

He states the old argument that if one in a thousand are a threat, is it ok to offend the other 999? This makes my blood boil. Yes of course it’s ok to upset the other 999. I’m quite happy to upset any amount of men if it saves one woman from being attacked.

And let's face it, it's far more than one in a thousand. He has no idea.

IdaBWells · 13/08/2019 17:26

It just gaslighting to ignore statistical facts (as well as basic common sense) that men as a class are more violent and more of a danger to everyone and that women and children are particularly vulnerable.

BreakWindandFire · 13/08/2019 17:18

It's a horrible combination of 'not all men' and 'ooooh, scary black rapey men'.

NKFell · 13/08/2019 16:02

allmywhat I noticed that one and was pleased with the venue's response.

The way MRA's and TRA's bring race into it at every point really irritates me. I was having a twitter argument with someone, I was saying males shouldn't be allowed in female changing rooms and they compared it to apartheid!

Biscuitorcake · 13/08/2019 15:36

He states the old argument that if one in a thousand are a threat, is it ok to offend the other 999? This makes my blood boil. Yes of course it’s ok to upset the other 999. I’m quite happy to upset any amount of men if it saves one woman from being attacked.

allmywhat · 13/08/2019 15:07

oh and i just want to leave this response to the article here. Without comment, because I think commenting on this might get me banned. But does anyone else see a positive parade of red flags here? I am very glad this men was kept out of the dance competition' changing room.

medium.com/@spacemariner/i-also-had-a-similar-experience-with-some-very-unpleasant-individuals-2006e222c61e

allmywhat · 13/08/2019 14:56

Does he not realise that allowing some men in means we would have to allow ALL men in. Including the perverts and predators. Dickhead.

Having just read his other articles I'm quite certain that he realises this. And it's a feature not a bug, because he is one of the perverts and predators whose interests he is advocating for here, and he's not even subtle about it.

Interesting that a man like this who as he euphemistically says is "not politically correct" has realised how useful the trans agenda is to creeps like himself. Looks like he's been too old to have been socialised into woke misogyny in his youth, so he's recording his intellectual evolution from MRA to TRA in public.