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Lesbian Strength March and Rally in Leeds on 7 September 2019

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stumbledin · 12/08/2019 19:08

I posted a link to this even some time ago and there have been various comments and more recently one for an organiser of the event which has been really interesting.

Then just now mumsnet have deleted it saying it is because it has a go fund me link in it.

Well I posted that some time ago and nobody said anything. And as I have also posted that on a number of other threads I apologise if they get deleted.

What is the problem.

We are trying to support Lesbians and some red tape that users aren't aware of do this hatchet job.

Why didn't you just deleted the post with the go fund me link.

If I believed in conspiracy theories I would say mumsnet has been nobbled by the lesbian erasure strand of transactivism.

Heavy handed and unecessary.

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PurpleCrowbar · 21/08/2019 13:33

I don't think this is conduct becoming of Mr Firth's office, tbh.

2BthatUnnoticed · 21/08/2019 13:30

Since when does female homosexuality = bigotry? Confused

As for female homosexuality = fascism (!!) we all know the existence of lesbians gives (some) males hurty fee fees, but come on Grin

fionnulafanackapan · 21/08/2019 13:22

Tell me Richard, do you intend chanting that you would rather be a pervert than a terf at our march like you and your mates did at Pride? Strange world view right there eh?

Deliriumoftheendless · 21/08/2019 13:11

Honestly, all I hear is Jane Horrocks’ character in Life Is Sweet quacking on about Fascists and Tories when she disagrees with anyone.

Deliriumoftheendless · 21/08/2019 13:05

Well that’s a shame for you, RJ, innit?

RJFirth · 21/08/2019 13:03

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fionnulafanackapan · 21/08/2019 07:06

It's awful that the ride for women has to be password protected just because they want to keep it women only. Similar issues to the ones we are facing in Leeds!
Dear comrade Firth, I really think that as a straight man you should desist from insulting 2 protected characteristics which could get you into legal and other bother! Shouldn't you be using your time more productively as a Green Party member, saving the planet maybe?
We can manage saving lesbians thank you!
AND OUR MARCH WILL BE FABULOSO!

stumbledin · 21/08/2019 00:35

Oh dear - this is a bit of a shame that this is happening on the same date as the Lesbian Strength March Confused

Ride For Murdered Women - The Female Peloton www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/ride-for-murdered-women-the-female-peloton-tickets-69710127869

Its a bit strange there is no info at all on the eventbrite page and you have to have a password to log in!

But presumably is based on this article medium.com/@jeanhatchet/ride-for-murdered-women-e24966ecc5f1

I think this event is in London but based on earlier facebook posts quite a few women are holding sister events in other UK cities on the same day.

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ChattyLion · 20/08/2019 21:05

stumbled that Glasgow Pride link is great! Good on them! Star

WichBitchHarpyTerfThatsMe · 20/08/2019 20:07

Love it stealthsquirrelnutkin!

stealthsquirrelnutkin · 19/08/2019 18:26

Nope. The entire field where I used to grow my fucks has been barren for many years.

Lesbian Strength March and Rally in Leeds on 7 September 2019
HedgehogsRock · 19/08/2019 16:52

Yes indeed Isca18, a man has spoken. Women should definitely do what he says. Hopefully however, we won't be silenced on this post.
Flowers to you and your comment and to all of the women on this and other posts who are fighting our corner.

Do we give any or zero fucks about what he says? Let's have a think about that...…. Hmm Grin

Isca18 · 19/08/2019 14:29

In case my last post was stopped. I do find it extraordinary that trolling misogynists get to post on here & women calling them out don't.

Isca18 · 19/08/2019 14:24

@RJFirth you really need to grow up & learn some social skills and manners. This is an adult space, not one for juvenile misogynistic narcissists who just love to troll, intimidate, take p*$$ & harass.

You have an unnerving predilection for harassing women and lesbian women and want to barge into their spaces.

QED.

Michelleoftheresistance · 19/08/2019 13:02

Well said Chatty

stumbledin · 19/08/2019 12:21

ChattyLion - what a fantastic and important post.

Has there been any attempt from not just lesbians, but feminist in Leeds to point out the the Council just how divisive they are being.

What's the best way to let them know that one desparately sad woke lesbian should not be given more importance than all the other lesbians in Leeds?

Its insance their decision. but also revealing.

Bet you that if one lesbian contacted the Council to say they felt intimidated by trans women demanding to be accepted as a lesbian or in a women's refuge they would just ignore.

For those of us who are hoping to come to the city from elsewhere if there is any thing you think we should know or do please share.

Would hate for us all to go away and leave you in some way more vunerable.

And no to the really stupid suggestion up thread, in no way should the march be cancelled. As if!!

And worth sharing if you can find the pics on twitter (sigh) showing that in Glasgow the Pride organisers supported Lesbians. Go Glasgow ... twitter.com/ForwomenScot/status/1162732228893388800

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EverardDigby · 19/08/2019 10:48

What Chatty said.

2BthatUnnoticed · 19/08/2019 10:19

Great post Chatty, and solidarity to all 💚💜

ChattyLion · 19/08/2019 08:38

I am a lesbian and live in Leeds. It's really important that we make it clear that this event does not represent lesbians, and is not organised for lesbians: it's for a small group of lesbian and straight women who want to exclude and punish trans women. They are coopting lesbian identity in order to do that.

Thanks for pasting that quote stumbled.

The irony of this person complaining about the ‘coopting of lesbian identity’ when this actual coopting IRL is one of the issues that lesbians will be marching against, given the freedom with which some male-born people confidently take on the title ‘lesbian’ for themselves, even when men definitively can’t ‘be’ lesbians, and there is no process by which they can ‘become’ lesbians. it will never be possible for human beings to actually change to the opposite sex.

So it’s views of the kind that this person seems to support, that actually ‘coopt lesbian identity’. It’s a staggering bit of doublethink and a total appropriation of a lesbian struggle to say otherwise. And that has very horrible real life consequences for lesbians including gaslighting and coercion ‘(cotton ceiling’), a loss of women-only lesbian spaces and places and services, and it has been used to justify violent rhetoric and silencing of lesbians seeking to express reasonable opinion and objections and talk about their life experiences as has been seen at various Pridea and in gay areas like Manchester gay village in recent times. Well documented on this FWR board and the way that women who detransition are treated, and the way that kids who would most likely grow up to be lesbian women are encouraged to think that they must actually be a boy who was ‘born in the wrong body’. A massively homophobic idea.

The starting place to move forward on this is for everyone to acknowledge that the literal ‘TWAW’ belief (which enables people to believe that transwomen can be lesbians), constitutes a serious clash of rights for lesbians, women of all ages as a class and for female and male children (since they are often in the care of women).

Until this clash of rights is acknowledged clearly this issue can’t be resolved. This must be why TRAs are so against this event happening- it points out the elephant in the room by demanding that other rights need to be accommodated too. By doing so it also casts a light on the many organisations and individuals- including ones who say they are for lesbians-, who have already totally sold lesbians out by adopting this dogma and then made it even worse by trying to suppress debate and protest on that.

FormerMediocreMale · 19/08/2019 08:02

RJFirth shove off with your homophobia. Lesbians have the right to march whether you like it or not.

FormerMediocreMale · 19/08/2019 08:00

Strength and solidarity to all you lovely ladies going.

Im straight and due to my work and interests have always mixed more with men. The thing that struck me at my cousins lesbian wedding was the strong bond and sense of community. So many different characters and personalities, brought together through being lesbian women supporting each other.

I hope you have a wonderful day. I hope the TRA buying tickets dont spoil it, rather just dont go so numbers are a bit less. TBH if they do go and protest it will probably peak quite a few people, as the cotton ceiling will be shown in all is disgusting glory!

EverardDigby · 19/08/2019 07:28

Why are blokes so invested in lesbians meeting I wonder?

OhHolyJesus · 19/08/2019 07:22

Richard, there you are again.

Strength to the women here and the ones marching and to Cllr Field. What a legend she is.

2BthatUnnoticed · 19/08/2019 02:19

Definitely don’t cancel! All these ridiculous shenanigans only show how important it is. The homophobia is bizarre.

HedgehogsRock · 18/08/2019 22:23

Thanks for reposting this info.
Women's voices being crushed and dismissed yet again. How did we get to this point so quickly and easily?

Leeds CC are the most blatant misogynists and gaslighting effwits it's possible to be, with the notable exception of Cllr Field and any allies that she has. That woman has the heart the size of a planet.