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Lesbian Strength March and Rally in Leeds on 7 September 2019

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stumbledin · 12/08/2019 19:08

I posted a link to this even some time ago and there have been various comments and more recently one for an organiser of the event which has been really interesting.

Then just now mumsnet have deleted it saying it is because it has a go fund me link in it.

Well I posted that some time ago and nobody said anything. And as I have also posted that on a number of other threads I apologise if they get deleted.

What is the problem.

We are trying to support Lesbians and some red tape that users aren't aware of do this hatchet job.

Why didn't you just deleted the post with the go fund me link.

If I believed in conspiracy theories I would say mumsnet has been nobbled by the lesbian erasure strand of transactivism.

Heavy handed and unecessary.

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littlbrowndog · 09/09/2019 11:11

It’s a very weird thing where some guys try to silence women

It’s a very weird thing where some guys try to stop a man doing his job taking pictures of an event where women are

It’s very homophobic.

Silencing silencing. What country do I live in ?

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 09/09/2019 11:06

You don’t hear much from the Bs within LGB these days (or the L for that matter). Is it just GTxyz123+*^¥$€??![~< 5)3/3 days?

BetsyM00 · 09/09/2019 11:05

There's also an account of the march and Nicole Jones speech in honour of Magdalen here:
forwomen.scot/08/09/2019/lesbian-strength-march/

Glad it went well for everyone. Is there a link to the Yorkshire Post article?

Tyrotoxicity · 09/09/2019 11:04

Omg DJLippy - just before the march got moving, an ally on the periphery said to me "There's already one bisexual snuck in; why don't you too?" but I couldn't because I was paralysed by my inability to work out, on the fly, whether this would be weird and somehow not on.

If I'd known they were talking about you I'd have jumped right in to say hello!

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 09/09/2019 10:52

When his pics moved onto Carnival I first thought ‘oh he did Pride too...’ Pride’s really changed hasn’t it?

DJLippy · 09/09/2019 10:51

makemorenoise.libsyn.com/suffragette-city-radio-ten-abortion-and-femicide-and-climate-change

Podcast which talks about my experience marching in the procession and earlier involvement with the "get the L out Manchester Pride action

Tyrotoxicity · 09/09/2019 10:39

Ah, yes - because women assert our right to not to be discriminated against and abused for the terrible crime of expecting our non-flexible sexual boundaries to be respected = hate. How silly of us to expect otherwise.

I was a bit annoyed by the placement of photographs in the Yorkshire Post article. The top one, the one that's visible on the post when you share it on facebook, is a picture of the anti-lesbian protesters. I suppose one could make the argument that "woke idiots think it's progressive to protest against homosexuality" is more newsworthy than "lesbians still won't stop asserting their boundaries" but on the whole I would have preferred the photo placement to have been the other way round, for purposes of boosting lesbian visibility.

NonnyMouse1337 · 09/09/2019 10:39

The pictures are great. I do feel bad for the photographer though. Irrespective of his personal opinions, he was just doing his job photographing events. No one would say that just because he took pictures of the Tommy Robinson march that he somehow endorses or agrees with the protestors. He's merely reporting and recording such events. Yet the TRA followers love to cry heretic simply for photographing lesbians and stating that it seemed to be a lovely event with no hate. What a time to be alive!

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 09/09/2019 10:31

It shows very clearly who the players are though. Into the daylight and all that (and some of the Menz that turned out to protest looked like they do with getting out more).

Angryresister · 09/09/2019 10:30

Inspiring and joyful event. Fantastic meeting old friends and new, but sadly had to go before the end so didn't meet any mumsnet terms in person. So pleased we came to Leeds for it...feel strengthened by such strong wonderful lesbians and the supporters too.

OvaHere · 09/09/2019 09:37

Fantastic photos.

Feel sorry for Mike who clearly had no idea he would end up the target of such vitriol. A baptism of fire indeed and one I'm sure has been very eye opening for him.

Rubidium · 09/09/2019 09:24

From pimmsnlemonade:
"Some wonderful pictures here"
www.facebook.com/pg/mikebettneyphotography/photos/?tab=album&album_id=406462093337256

They are great pictures. However, Mike innocently thought he was just photographing some marching lesbians. He didn't realise he was actually photographing a "hate rally". The poor guy has had a TRA pile on, and no doubt been peak transed in the process.

Tyrotoxicity · 09/09/2019 07:32

Sorry Aspley, your first comment on the matter implied having men around would be a protection against homophobes. If that wasn't what you meant then I apologise for the misunderstanding.

Still agreeing with you for the most part - but I still think having men there on Saturday wouldn't have been worth it, because they might have boosted visibility simply by existing, but the tradeoff would have been not having that female-only, 99% lesbian-only space that was so valuable to so many. Which I personally think wouldn't have been worth the trade.

And yes to flyers next time!

Aspley · 09/09/2019 01:34

@Tyrotoxicity "Strong courageous lesbian women marching for their right to exist regardless of male approval - and you'd have them bring along approving males for protection? It doesn't seem right to me."

That is all well and good but unless something happens to make Stonewall pay attention it is all pissing in the wind ( this will read like I am being critical of the Leeds event and organisers but that is not my intention).
It is nothing about protection wtf?!
This is about getting someone to pay attention, afaik Stonewall have not even acknowledged this march? Double the numbers with a couple of hundred of gay men then they will start to take notice. They are misogynistic to their core so, sad but true, and will only pretend to react if the men get involved.

So many gay men (and the vast majority of lesbians?) are oblivious to what is going on.

WichBitchHarpyTerfThatsMe · 09/09/2019 00:21

Ah Pegasus I recognise who you are now. Thank you for your honesty and courage.

stumbledin · 08/09/2019 23:54

In the end was able to make most of the event. Did look out for lavender signals but must have missed them.

Speeches were all great, and really good to have them online. And also good that organisers had signer at the event. Smile

Lots of brilliant banners. (thanks for photo links earlier in thread)

Assuming there will be another one (yeah) can I suggest that with all the travel and cost, (and rush) it would be nice if at the end of the march / start of the rally some bottles of water (and cake?!) were made available. It was quite warm and what outlets there were had rip off prices.

I am sure that all those that donated so generously to the go fund me (that must NOT be linked to according to MNHQ rules!) would accept this as a good health and safety measure and not a misuse of the money raised towards the cost of putting on the event.

And (always easy to be wise after the event) if there was a tiny bit on money to spare would be really good to have fliers to give out to those watching the march. I am not sure many really understood why lesbians were demonstrating. It would be a great consciousness raising and the opportunity to provide links to groups.

Oh yes - loved the fact that which ever bit of the Labour Party it was gave us all a cheer!

Twice as much time travelling as being there but worth it.

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WichBitchHarpyTerfThatsMe · 08/09/2019 23:43

It was so safe and friendly. I was, quite honestly, expecting some serious aggro and hostility given the geography but nothing, nada. where were all the Leeds nasty troons?

PegasusRex · 08/09/2019 23:20

I've spent all day wondering if i dreamt yesterday because it was so amazing. I even escaped a hangover Grin

here's a link to my speech
medium.com/@boudiccarises/lesbian-strength-3654425c41e4

Ereshkigal · 08/09/2019 21:10

Great speech!

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 08/09/2019 20:48

Fabulous speech, DrLouiseMoody! Only wish I'd been there to hear it live.

Tyrotoxicity · 08/09/2019 20:47

Thought you might be, DrLouise. Very much doubt you're the only one!

When I nipped next door to pinch a slice of bread to accompany my hangover-mitigating bacon this morning, my brother actually made me a bacon and egg wrap. See, supportive men can totally do useful things to help the cause!

DrLouiseMoody · 08/09/2019 20:21

Me speech.

medium.com/@drlouisejmoody/lesbian-strength-speech-7-9-2019-26a1cdfe66be

Mostly monosyllabic today. Literally erased by hangover.

Tyrotoxicity · 08/09/2019 19:42

I agree having men - gay or straight - generally in agreement with us and willing to stand up and say so would make a hell of a lot of difference. And I'm sure there are supportive things they could be doing that would help.

But being physically there in the march or rally to intimidate homophobic dickheads into not causing a ruckus - no. I'm still not being very good with words today but... Think of the optics? Strong courageous lesbian women marching for their right to exist regardless of male approval - and you'd have them bring along approving males for protection? It doesn't seem right to me.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 08/09/2019 18:37

Christ on a bike. Straight women marching alongside their lesbian friends and relatives and getting abuse hurled at them by the menz - it’s just like... well pre-2010...