The English Cricket Board sells out women's cricket

"a male fast bowler could kill a woman" [is]
Literally the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. A Male fast bowler could kill a man if he hit him in the right place.

Male cricketers have (accidentally and tragically) killed men, yes. I'm also aware of a 12yo girl accidentally killed by a 14yo batsman. I'm not aware of any deaths caused by a female cricketer. Is anyone?

Adding males to the female game increases the risk to female players. Why is it ridiculous to point this out?

Is this really the right place to be insinuating that we are somehow softer than men??

No one is "insinuating" we are "softer." The fact is that women have less physical power and lower bone density than men. There is no shame in that. Hence adding males to the female game increases the risk to female players.

Is this really the right place to be insinuating that we are somehow softer than men??

Cricketmum, physically we are, as women, on average, quite literally, softer. We have less muscle, more subcutaneous fat, and smaller, less dense bones. Face facts - there is no shame in physical weakness. My elderly father is no less a person just because I could push him over with my little finger (during one of his rare ventures from his bed, across his room, to the bathroom, in his care home).

How incredulous they shall be in years to come!

I shall never forget being handed my wonderful son by the midwife: after three daughters the difference was illuminating. He was so much denser (though not bigger as such), my girls seemed like birds in comparison. Not all infants, or adults, will follow these averages, but the probability of injury is exponentially higher when men play physically against women!

But can I suggest if you or your friends enjoy going to local/village cricket or any other cricket where women/wags keen supporters volunteer time and make cricket teas for the men - how about making a stand and downing bread knives , no more teas until this decision is reversed.

www.cricketcountry.com/articles/suffragettes-burned-down-pavilion-of-nevill-ground-tunbridge-wells-25094

I’m not suggesting arson, just that revolt of the tea ladies has priors.

How very very sad.

Women's sport may not matter to men, but it does matter to sports loving women and girls.

A decision made by men on the advice of men to benefit men.

Or even BUY a t shirt!

Long time lurker - I thought it would be sport that brought me out of my shell.
Love cricket - going to a day at the Ashes in a couple of weeks- maybe I’ll be an AHF T-shirt and try to get on TV!
(Or texting TMS might be worth a try - if they had one of the women commentators on - most are ex players, would make a great lunchtime slot- I’d love Geoffrey Boycotts view!)

Literally the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. A Male fast bowler could kill a man if he hit him in the right place.

No, it’s not ridiculous FFS. The fastest recorded female fast bowler is 126km/hr. Your average male club bowler would easily bowl in excess of that. That means the women facing will have NO experience of facing such speed, as well as the angle the ball will arrive at will be different due to the height, arm length difference and pitch. Also, women use a lighter ball. Will the males who identify as women use this ball and get even more speed? Have any trials been done? Net trials, bowling trials? I emailed Cricket Australia with these concerns and have heard nothing .

So YES, women are now at greater risk.

"Today marks the death of women's cricket. The ashes will be taken to the pavilion, where women are still very welcome as long as they stick to making the sandwiches"

Feel free to steal and tweet/post on fb. I am fucking furious.

Mockers thanks for repeating my point. Are you a man, perchance?

*Thick as men’s

Is this really the right place to be insinuating that we are somehow softer than men?

What a load of old bollocks! We are, in the main, physically weaker, shorter, slower and our skulls aren’t as thick as means, so in that respect, of course we’re bloody softer. If you don’t believe me, go out and ask a man of a similar build to you, to have an arm wrestle or boxing fight. It wouldn’t matter if he was 4” shorter than you, he’d most likely still win.

Stonewall must be wetting themselves over how well this takeover is going. There won't be a single place left where women can have their own place.

I don’t know how much harder/further they bat but the difference in the boundaries shows that there is a massive difference.

in the current T20 Blast (men)/KIA Super League (women) series, they often play double-headers, usually the women in the afternoon then the men in the evening.

The women play with the boundary rope brought in quite a way, and even then you rarely see a six. It is part of the enjoyment of the womens' game that they play the ball along the ground with a range of shots rather than just whack it out of the ground.

It should be noted that certain countries already cheat massively when it comes to age-restricted events. Numerous players from one country in particular suddenly discover later in their careers they were in fact two or three years older than they originally claimed, e.g, Javed Miandad who thought he was only 15 during the 1975 World Cup but turned out to have been born in 1957.

How can we challenge this and get them to revert it?

I don't have anything to do with cricket, or any other sport for that matter. But can I suggest if you or your friends enjoy going to local/village cricket or any other cricket where women/wags keen supporters volunteer time and make cricket teas for the men - how about making a stand and downing bread knives , no more teas until this decision is reversed.

Also a great opportunity to spread information about the assault on women's sport generally if you have an opportunity to chat to the sandwich makers.

A token protest no doubt but I can think of newspapers that would love to report the mutiny of the tea ladies.

Either male and female differences in biology make no difference, in which cricket should be de segregated, like equine sports are. Or they do, in which case chromosomally male persons have no place in the women’s game.
It’s really quite simple.

It’s not that long - five years - since a male cricketer was killed by a ball bowled by a fast bowler. The telegraph has the details.

Men bowl 25% faster than women. I don’t know how much harder/further they bat but the difference in the boundaries shows that there is a massive difference. Anecdotally I have been at international men’s and women’s cricket matches many times over the last few decades and I can’t remember a women’s ball hit into the stands but there is at least one every time I’ve seen men’s cricket. Even men’s county cricket.

We know that men are stronger than women. Any sporting body pretending they’re not are cowardly and misogynistic.

And littlbrowndog I am both sweaty and Sweary

How depressing. Men's sport for men, and women's sport for men too.

How can we challenge this and get them to revert it?

And in response to the person who is seemingly unaware of biology, of course male and female bodies are different. I really wonder sometimes if some people ever listened to anything in school.

Anothernightwatering I see what you mean as it's just a stand alone doc, but I'm sure fpfw have done their homework. There is no date on the doc as far as I can tell though? Some clarification from the ecb as to whether this is their current policy and when it was brought in is necessary.

Shite. Not sweaty. Sweary

From a sweaty person on twitter below

Oh fucking hell @ECB_cricket

You know what a woman is. You know we’re smaller, not as strong, not as fast.

In a women’s test the boundary is 55-70 yards. In men’s it’s 65-90. Why the difference if you think men can be women?

Do these buggers do any research at all before implementing such policies?

Wonder how many women are on the ECB?????

Yes, precisely, truthisarevolutionaryact.

I've dabbled a bit in cricket (but ultimately didn't want the risk of breaking fingers because I'm a musician). My main sport used to be football. I played Sunday league at a very low level and even then wasn't very good - rarely made the starting lineup, the bench was my usual position. It would have taken just one TW joining the team to bump me off the bench and into "training only." And, crap as I was, that would not have been fair. Because the TW would have been taking advantage of superior speed, stature, strength, and male socialisation (will have played at school; I didn't start playing till I was an adult).

But there are sports where safety is a real issue. I believe English Rugby has the same inclusion policy. And it would only take one TW in the front row of the opposition scrum to make it far too dangerous for women to play.

The pdf is dated 26 April 2019. Is it really from the ECB? Is it a draft? Is it fake news?

It doesn't seem to be linked to from the ECB website. This is the link. What does it mean?

pulse-static-files.s3.amazonaws.com/ecb/document/2019/04/26/3bb659af-9a7d-4ffa-810d-7fae32959ee6/Non-First-Class-ECB-Regulations-Transgender-2019.pdf

My concern is less the dangers and more the fact that every time a man who self identifies as a woman tales a place - a woman loses out. Won't be long before women are completely absent from sport - right back to the Victorian age.

Women can play men's cricket already so trans man wouldn't be an issue.