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The English Cricket Board sells out women's cricket

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NotAtMyAge · 11/08/2019 17:28

Women's cricket is now open to transwomen, who don't even have to reduce testosterone unless wanting to be considered for international games. For the domestic game the ECB is using the 'social model', having, of course, been advised in their decision-making by Stonewall. I don't even like cricket, but this wholesale ignoring of the Equality Act 2010 has made me furious!

twitter.com/fairplaywomen/status/1160503880179998720

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Prawnofthepatriarchy · 18/08/2019 23:58

ShootsFruitAndLeaves I took part of your post at 11.14 and tweeted it to a BBC journalist who's trying to interview MB. Hope you don't mind.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 18/08/2019 23:37

I liked this particular comment under the Times story, from a male username incidentally:

Another day, another batch of trans stories. When will the authorities realise that "the policy of self-identification with no medical requirement" is at the root of many of the current difficulties. To most people, being allowed to simply choose or indeed alternate gender as readily as changing your underwear is ludicrous.

People are starting to take notice. Or at least I hope so.

koshkat · 18/08/2019 21:21

Is it wrong of me to wonder how many of the 4 women are women?

BadgertheBodger · 18/08/2019 21:11

The ECB is a Stonewall Diversity Champion

Of course it fucking is Hmm

Popchyk · 18/08/2019 21:07

The ECB board is interesting.

At the beginning of 2018, it had 11 men and 2 women on its board.

In 2019, it now has 8 men and 4 women, presumably partly in response to its gender pay gap disclosures (86% of the highest earning quartile are men). So much for equality, right? Hypocrites.

All of the women are non-executive directors. The men take the real positions on the board.

ECB Gender Pay Gap Report 2018

The report solemnly states that the ECB intends to "transform women and girls' cricket" and to "identify and empower female leaders".

Their transgender guidelines state that "female" means anyone who is either biologically female or biologically male. It does, however, exclude those women who identify as non-binary from being female.

The ECB is a Stonewall Diversity Champion.

BadgertheBodger · 18/08/2019 20:31

Fucking hell Popchyk. I am absolutely terrified sometimes about the absolute clusterfuck that is our government. Everything so intertwined, people actively making arrangements which will personally benefit them, people with so much power they’re drunk on it. It’s in his interests isn’t it, to promote “inclusion” in cricket. Presumably his company can then go round and “advise” local cricket teams. For added bonus, men like him are quite often the type of man who thinks it’s hilarious that women lose out, we deserve to don’t we because of feminism and being man-haters who brought this on ourselves what with our pesky campaigning for equality. Hahahaha yeah they want equality well here’s some fucking equality, here’s some men to play on your cricket team and make sure your sport dies. Sorry. Not coherent. But I am so bloody angry about this. It’s abhorrent.

Popchyk · 18/08/2019 18:57

Lord Patel of Bradford, he of the "let's invite convicted killer Mark/Karen Jones to advise the House of Lords on transgender issues" is on the board of the English and Welsh Cricket Board.

Lord Patel has a company which aims to promote "equality". It is called Community Innovations Enterprise which seems an odd mix of a company.

Got a £93K grant in 2016 to look into the mental health of ex-service people, but now seems to be moving more into the equality and diversity gravy train.

koshkat · 18/08/2019 16:57

Yes bloody scary. Archer is quite some bowler.

MockersthefeMANist · 18/08/2019 16:08

A reminder yesterday of the brutal reality of cricket at the highest level. Watch the slow-motion replay if you dare:

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/cricket/49382532

(And that's what can happen to the best batsman in the world.)

AnotherNightWatering · 18/08/2019 15:09

People who comment might agree, but the average person is just not interested until it affects them, which it will in the end

Two articles today, and the number of comments at 3pm

"Lord Mountbatten’s ‘lust for young men’ revealed" - 626 comments
"Trans player puts cricketers on the back foot" - 55 comments

NotAtMyAge · 18/08/2019 14:38

Our outrage is shared by almost every comment writer under the Times article. The sole exception (an obvious trans ally, if not actually trans) garnered no sympathy or agreement whatsoever. The general public knows this is blatantly unfair.

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koshkat · 18/08/2019 13:07

Yes. Despite winning the world cup, women's cricketers do not matter a jot to the ECB misogynists.

BadgertheBodger · 18/08/2019 12:58

It’s absolutely maddening, especially in a sport which supposedly takes such pride in fairness and “the spirit of cricket”. How can the inclusion of Maxine be fair? The ECB know it’s not fair. The problem seems to be that they just don’t give a shit. Only wimmin’s sport getting ruined hey, why should anyone care about that Angry

koshkat · 18/08/2019 12:56

If he ends up playing for England then a wider audience will be peaktransed. Bring it on.

NotBadConsidering · 18/08/2019 12:44

The fact that Maxine was playing both men’s and women’s cricket on the same weekend clearly demonstrates that trans people are in no way excluded from participating in cricket. In fact, it demonstrates that the team of men must have been fully accepting of Maxine’s trans status as they would have surely known Maxine was playing for the women’s team on the Sunday.

Somewhere in Kent there is a woman who has been unable to represent her county but won’t have been able to say anything because “transphobia”. This woman has missed out and I hope she gets the chance in the future.

Popchyk · 18/08/2019 12:37

If this really is about equality, then surely the ECB must invest exactly the same cash on the women's game as the men's game?

Female players must be paid precisely the same as their male counterparts?

Because the ECB is so passionate about equality, right?

Or do they invest heavily in the men's game, remunerate male players greatly and chuck a few crumbs in the women's direction?

So difficult to know.

midcenturylegs · 18/08/2019 12:26

Have never thought I'd say this but I sort of wish the Daily Mail would pick this thread up! As a PP has said there's been far too little publicity over this..

ShootsFruitAndLeaves · 18/08/2019 12:16

It does seem that Maxine is on the fringe of England contention, which would mean reducing testosterone to a low male level (five times the high female level)

AngeloMysterioso · 18/08/2019 12:15

Just mentioned this to DH who is a big cricket fan- “Oh good, so you’re just gonna have blokes chucking 80-90 mile an hour balls down at women, that’s gonna be fair isn’t it?!”

We disagree on most political issues but this is one we’re absolutely on the same page on!

That change in “Maxine”’s stats is unbelievable- avg in one season has gone from 47.83 to 97.59, runs from 287 to 1659!!

ShootsFruitAndLeaves · 18/08/2019 12:14

Actually Maxine's average is only phenomenonal in club cricket. In county cricket it's a bit below the England team clubmates

andyoldlabour · 18/08/2019 11:47

I am pretty disgusted about all this. Maxine was playing for Sheldwich Cricket Club (mens) in the Kent village cricket league in 2017, and was scoring regular centuries. I played in this league around 20 years ago and there are some good teams. Maxine was hitting regular centuries for Sheldwich.

www.play-cricket.com/website/player_stats_widget/batting_stats/3968168

www.play-cricket.com/website/results/2884366

Maxine's current batting average taken at face value is simply phenomenal, but the hrsh reality is that Maxine is enjoying all the benefits of a male body, so can use a heavier bat than women, meaning that the lighter ball will be finding the shorter boundaries more often.
This whole situation is a complete disgrace.

midcenturylegs · 18/08/2019 11:40

I am so mad at all of this (mum of district cricket player DD who wants to try out for a certain County team this winter).

Any clues on what to do?

koshkat · 18/08/2019 11:32

This person is a disgrace. The absolute front of them to take a place from a woman. they should be ashamed of themselves but hey...male entitlement...what a horror show this all is.

ShootsFruitAndLeaves · 18/08/2019 11:28

Must be the new Pips Bunce.

I wonder if they make boxes in pink.

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