Furries & gimp masks at Surrey Pride

In looking for an answer to what flag the person in the photo is draped in, I came across this blog, which explains lots of different 'pride flag' designs... among them 'master/slave/ownership pride' and 'adult baby / diaper lovers pride' which features a big safety pin 🤮

clarebayley.com/2013/06/a-field-guide-to-pride-flags/

Surrey Pride this year was also in a park with a large children's playground etc.
Next year it probably will be in a less "child centred" park.
But I think people need to decide if they want a "family friendly" event or a fetish friendly event. Both are okay but cannot be the same thing.

(Most gay parents I know wouldn't want their children at a fetish event.)

I am pleasantly surprised that Rhondda Pride even attempted to make a stand. That's a first, isn't it?

Pride needs to decide what it is and who it is for.

Either invite fetishists (if you must) or invite children. Anybody who thinks it's appropriate to invite both is dangerous.

I realise the leathermen have been going for ever but it used to be just them, they used to wear far more clothes and it was never plugged as a family event.

this is supposed to be ok and you're a bigot if you express distaste or have a problem with this

People need to start claiming these words.

Yes, I am a bigot when it comes to people using, for example, Pride to parade their fetishes in front of children.

Yes, I am clearly transphobic, in that I don't agree with self-ID, male-bodied people competing against women in sports, coming into our spaces, etc,

Yes, I am. And I'm happy to own it.

We are being silenced by these words, and that's very much to our detriment.

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@ohholyjesus Joanna Killian is the CEO and Tim Oliver the leader of Surrey County Council

We can't, and that's the end goal.

It's all very sinister. I hope collectively the government, police and charities wake up and see what it is they are enabling.

how can we protect children if the police, charities and organisations are actively trying to introduce them to fetishes and transgender ideology?

We can't, and that's the end goal.

According to 'Mr Leather Wales', "fetish is often an intrinsic quality of LGBT+ folks identities

I thought that the LGBT community had been trying to distance themselves from fetish for years so this doesn't make any sense. Pretty sure loads of gay men and lesbians just lead normal lives with their partners like everyone else and don't have anything to do with the fetish community. Seems like gaslighting to me.

You can't have it both ways - it's either an adult fetish march or a family friendly march. Introducing children to fetishes is wrong on so many levels, I can't believe they even try to defend it. The more I see of this stuff the more thankful I am not to have children because how can we protect children if the police, charities and organisations are actively trying to introduce them to fetishes and transgender ideology?

How positive a thing is it to re teach society that LGBT people normally have fetish/exhibitionist sexual proclivities and this is something that should be openly celebrated and accepted as part of being LGBT?

It's homophobic/transphobic, and something LGB people fought against for decades that they were the same as everyone else despite a different sexual orientation. It's NOT an intrinsic part of either being gay or trans, any more than it's an intrinsic part of being Christian or disabled or black. Nothing wrong with fetish or anything else consenting adults do in private, that's the issue.

This is part of the 'queering society' agenda, and part of the mens sexual rights agenda, which is why we actually have someone in the NSPCC wanking in rubber shorts at work, taking photographs and posting it openly on social media and this is supposed to be ok and you're a bigot if you express distaste or have a problem with this . Its boundary pushing. It's all boundary pushing. With selfish disregard for the parts of society damaged by the individuals enjoying their personal freedom and the thrills of exhibitionism.

According to 'Mr Leather Wales', "fetish is often an intrinsic quality of LGBT+ folks identities

I have as much idea as to whether my gay and lesbian friends are into fetish as they have about me.

I don't see any particular reason why fetish should be more prevalent amongst gay and lesbian people than heterosexual people.

I just googled the flag - it's the 'pansexual flag'.

The pink signifies girls, the blue signifies boys and the yellow signifies non-binary. How progressive! How woke! Who says any this is based on crappy horseshit gender stereotypes!

Perhaps I am very old fashioned but I thought that pride was about love, rather than sex.

This is just sex.

According to 'Mr Leather Wales', "fetish is often an intrinsic quality of LGBT+ folks identities.

Is it? That seems like quite a homophobic thing to say - I thought that for years, gay people fought to try to get people to accept that their sexual orientation wasn't a fetish.

Does anyone know what the blue, pink and yellow flag draped around the other blokes shoulder signifies? I can't keep up with the different flags tbh.

I'm not going to let this pass without complaint, seeing as I raised it several times with the council and with Pride directly.

Any thoughts of who I complain to now?

It's 'acceptance without exception' - as dictated by Stonewall and anyone who worries about safeguarding children is just a bigot

I’ve been to a few prides to show support but it’s not family friendly. A man once showed me his penis piercing - unsolicited I may add!

Plenty of 'Furries' are straight - so they're making Pride into a 'whatever gives you an erection' parade. Which seems totally outside of the point of Pride to me

YES. THIS. It makes me so fucking angry to see these men getting off on this.

Oldchrone what is it with the grovelling apologies when called out for safeguarding children?

“Just please be aware that families and under-16s will hopefully be attending. Once again we sincerely apologise and hope the community can find it within themselves to forgive us."

The people wearing this are utterly taking the piss out of what Pride means. These men, and yes they are usually men, see only the sexual side and see aside as a route for access to that.

This is what happens when organisers try to make a pride event family friendly and ask people not to flaunt their fetishes

www.walesonline.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/rhondda-pride-costume-leather-lgtbq-16669665

I'm lost for words. There is so much wrong there- where to start?

About 23 mins in a pup play bloke is interviewed but you can't really hear what he is saying due to the mask.

www.facebook.com/getsurrey/videos/596872014050299/

And replies from Stephen Ireland

1. The event is family friendly and complies with the UK Laws as advised by our local Police force. There will be no nudity allowed and all entertainers, hosts etc are advised of the family friendly policy.

And

1. People can come how they feel comfortable. Pride in Surrey are an inclusive event welcoming of everyone.

So family friendly means fetish is welcome.

The dog masks are very sinister.

Personally I think all full face covering in public should be banned.