Epstein is dead

You know, hoodathunkit, I was not sure whether Epstein's Death was a fitting topic for Feminism chat, but your blind siding with 'the upright citizens of Omaha' over the girl who says they raped them, turning her into the bad guy, is really on point.

Or as Nebraska State Sen. Loran Schmit said, who headed the investigation into the credit union and turned over the information gathered about the child abuse to the FBI: “I was very disappointed with the way the FBI and law enforcement treated the victims,” Schmit says in the documentary. “They in fact turned them into the offenders, so to speak. And instead of taking the evidence that was delivered to them by the victims and interrogating the persons who the victims identified, they seemed to bear down and try to get the victims to change their story.”

But I guess Nebraska State Sen. Loran Schmit is a hoax, too. Only Wikipedia is no hoax.

I noticed Andrew has run to his mother for support ... he is going to need it in the coming weeks.

Trouble is the coverup was a hoax incorporating satanic ritual abuse narratives and the "documentary", like so many on Discovery Channel is really fiction.

Way to smear the rape victim, e.g. Alisha Owen, who never retracted her statements about who of the Omaha bigwigs abused her and was sentenced to 9-15 years in prison for these 'wrongful allegations'. The jury acknowledged, she had been abused, but, alas, not by those upright members of society. So the obvious consequence was to convict the girl to a decade in prison over it. (Not sure about your Satanism, Alisha didn't talk Satanism, she spoke of rape. Nor does the documentary. But Satanism smears well, I guess).

Also, what type of an inept hoax is a documentary that is expected to be aired on US national television, but gets pulled, not by lawyers but without any transparent process, bought up and destroyed. And it was made by then York TV director Nick Gray and Tim Tate... they are hoaxers now?

Yeah, Tim Tate sounds totally hoaxey here, when he explains how the film was made, cleared by their lawyers and then pulled for good:
spotlightonabuse.wordpress.com/2013/05/02/tim-tate-on-the-making-of-the-franklin-scandal-documentary-conspiracy-of-silence/

I know someone with dementia who thinks Boris Johnson is the best prime minister this country will ever have.

Have you ever seen Conspiracy of Silence?

The banned Discovery Channel documentary on what basically evolved to the Franklin cover up? Of course I have.

Trouble is the coverup was a hoax incorporating satanic ritual abuse narratives and the "documentary", like so many on Discovery Channel is really fiction.

My father, who suffers from dementia, occasionally o[pines about Hitler being alive, pyramids on the moon and the mysterious supernatural powers of crystal skulls as a result of watching the Discovery Channel. It isn't exactly a credible channel.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_child_prostitution_ring_allegations

Oh, and indy political commentator Kyle Kulinski finally joins us in CT-Ville...

Oh look Dana, now that Epstein is dead, the FBI goes to his island to destroy any and all evidence once and for all.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7349729/Dozen-FBI-agents-raid-Jeffrey-Epsteins-Pedophile-Island.html

(I'm actually serious.)

Have you ever seen Conspiracy of Silence?

Thank you! I couldn't remember the name of this, have been trying to describe it to people.

Has anyone read James Herbert book Ash book 3, I did and suspected it was a book about people hiding in plain sight.

EVERYONE NEEDS TO SEE THE ABOVE DOCUMENTARY ^

Sorry for shouting but if anyone thinks Epstein is about left vs right politics think again.

God yes the Dutroux affair, horrendous, little girls in cages.

How many more children?

Have you ever seen Conspiracy of Silence?

The banned Discovery Channel documentary on what basically evolved to the Franklin cover up? Of course I have.

The very fact that this documentary could be pulled from all channels in the US (and beyond) and was never shown (except the makers apparently saved one of the copies instead of handing them all over as compelled), tells you all you need to know about the reach of this.

And then the same sh*t happened all over again with Dutroux. And no mass mobilization of Belgian citizens, no documentaries by UK and German public broadcasters (!) on the investigation and the >20 dead witnesses changed anything.

And the Epstein case will be the same. And no one can tell me Epstein's fancy parties, high tech video equipment and little black book didn't shape politics in the past 20 years.

ikr Deep I just feel like chanting "One of Us, One of Us.." to those people. Hahaha.

Seriously though you are right. Nothing will change because the majority prefer the comfortable lies to the harsh reality of truth.

Have you ever seen Conspiracy of Silence?

My OH loves a good conspiracy, as a result we listen to loads and loads of alternative podcasts and news programs, some left learning, some right, some libertarian, some bat shit crazy. If he were a betting man we'd be rich by now. He predicted Trump would win, he said that depositions and court orders for something massive was in the wings over a year ago. His two cents? Trump was always in line to take the large part of the blame for this (to the extent that he thinks this is why he was 'allowed' to win), he's guilty as sin, but so are many, many others so we can't let waves of Trump hate to eclipse this and I have to agree with him on this one.

In my wishful thinking mode....I'm hoping his death was faked and he's been secretly smuggled to some off the grid black ops sight where he is now singing like the proverbial canary, against any and all, regardless of political affiliation...

Yeah, but you know that this info will then not be used to punish anyone but to blackmail them into starting a war or whatever [adjusts tinfoil hat].

It was so predictable Epstein would not survive to stand trial, it is now kind of lame he actually died. On the bright side, I have now repeatedly seen people state that the Epstein death has tipped them over and they have finally joined the CT camp now...

The sad thing is that nothing will change. I mean, we all know that elite sex blackmail rings are a thing since when, the 80's?

www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1989/08/01/the-bombshell-that-didnt-explode/ff09cdb0-7d64-428b-8415-a6998b9f0c65/

And yet, nothing ever changes.

In my wishful thinking mode....I'm hoping his death was faked and he's been secretly smuggled to some off the grid black ops sight where he is now singing like the proverbial canary, against any and all, regardless of political affiliation...well I did say I love a good conspiracy theory..

Seriously though if you didn't see this coming, well you better get yourself to specsavers. It's quite amusing to see how the media are trying to spin this. People on the street that have never entertained a conspiracy theory in their life are giving this story some serious side eye 😒

Poor Betty.

Imagine finding out that your favourite child is a scumbag.

Will be interesting to see, in time, how The Crown play this out...

That's a big grin for someone who's mate has just died in violent or suspicious circumstances. Last time I had a mate die (RTA), I was crying for weeks.

Image: Metro front page today.

Also I would say you usually use “suspected suicide” alleged sounds a lot more loaded

I can understand it's good journalistic practice not to state categorically that a death is a suicide (or murder or accidental death) until after an inquest.

Definitely. But this practice is quite often not upheld by publications, including by the NYT, so, I do think this wording is significant.

(By contrast, this nymag article, for example, is quite definitive in its first paragraph.

nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/08/jeffrey-epstein-dies-by-suicide-report.html )

I can understand it's good journalistic practice not to state categorically that a death is a suicide (or murder or accidental death) until after an inquest.

Oh, the NYT calls it an alleged suicide. And apparently 2 protocols were not followed relating to Epstein, which faciliated his demise.

According to Vox many journalists have investigated this story, but it lacks corroboration.

She has remained anonymous and has apparently withdrawn the lawsuit (not the allegation). I don't think this kind of stuff will go anywhere, unless there are actual lawsuits and women who go on record showing their name and face - like the Epstein accusers have done - and even they may not get justice in the end. Heck one woman is on record with her accusations against Prince Andrew and Dershowitz and I can't see them being held to account.

I really mourn the lost opportunity of finding out all about the Epstein blackmail operation's reach. But ffs, shouldn't it be enough to have evidence of all those people visiting Epstein and seeing him with all those underage girls and doing nothing!?!?! That alone should disqualify all those people from any participation in public life.

Bloody hell that link!

Somehow Trump will get off. It will be said he has onset dementia and therefore can't stand trial. What's the betting on that?

www.vox.com/2019/7/9/20686347/jeffrey-epstein-trump-bill-clinton

This is a good article on the known facts about Trump, Clinton and Epstein.

The politico link refers to the woman who accused Trump of raping her when she was 13. I don’t think they have posted it as a link to a current story.

According to Vox many journalists have investigated this story, but it lacks corroboration.