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Issues facing woman and girls worldwide

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Earlywalker · 10/08/2019 09:02

Thought it could be useful to raise awareness of issues facing woman and girls worldwide and discuss what we can do to help them.

Please do feel free to add to the list also as there will be loads that I’ve missed.

It made me very angry writing and researching this:

FGM - ‘the ritual cutting or removal of some or all of the external female genitalia. The practice is found in Africa, Asia and the Middle East, and within communities from countries in which FGM is common’

FGM is still practiced within the UK and is of course illegal here, we have only had one successful prosecution since it was made illegal and it was February this year - www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-47094707

Girls are encouraged to not tell anyone about it, awareness for the communities and those around them is the only way we can end FGM here. With wider efforts needed accords the globe.

Safe access to abortion - this is not just something that happens in third world countries, this is happening on our very doorstep in the UK! Northern Ireland has still not updated its abortion laws. Woman are being forced to continue pregnancies, even if they are raped, even if it was through incest and this needs to change.

Child brides - 140 million girls will become child brides between 2011 and 2020 . Girls who marry before age 18 are typically denied an education, at risk of complications related to premature childbearing, and more vulnerable to intimate partner violence.

Maternal health - The World Health Organization estimates that 800 women die every day from preventable, pregnancy related causes. That’s nearly 300,000 lives per year needlessly lost during what is fundamentally a life-creating event.

Sex based violence 1 in 3 woman Experience physical or sexual abuse in their lifetime. I’m not sure what more I can say on this than attitudes need to change.

Access to education A 2013 report by UNESCO found that 31 million girls of primary school age were not in school, and about one out of every four young women in developing countries had never completed their primary school education. That number represents a huge pool of untapped girl power: that same report suggests that educated women are more likely to get married later, survive childbirth, raise healthy kids, find work, and earn more money, among other positives.

Trafficking of woman and children This is the fastest growing crime in the world, it pulls in an estimated $99billion per year and there’s an estimated 25 million people trapped in forced labour, with an estimated 71% being woman and girls.

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Fraggling · 11/08/2019 16:46

Yes agreed.

You told us fgm is close to your heart and a subject you know a lot about.

Hearing your knowledge and views on how to help etc, given its kind of your subject, would be really really useful.

I'm not being sarcastic I mean it.

FGM is not a topic that most women / people in the uk have any kind of experience around. So in that case, you can and should tell us what you know and how you think it could be reduced.

Earlywalker · 11/08/2019 16:45

I was told specifically to provide links

Whatever I’d have done would’ve been wrong so it’s fine, you carry on.

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BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 11/08/2019 16:43

So everyone on the feminism subject knows everything there is to know about issues facing women and girls?

no Early but everyone on FWR can use google as well as you can

you have a unique perspective, stuff you know lots about. talk about that. it will probably be interesting

but don't pepper us with virtue signalling spam

barelove · 11/08/2019 16:41

Since when is MN not a parenting forum

Since so many women on here don't have/want kids may be?

Earlywalker · 11/08/2019 16:40

So everyone on the feminism subject knows everything there is to know about issues facing women and girls?

Every fundraiser they could attend, every item they could donate, every cause they could sign? Every woman imprisoned because of her activism? Every warning sign of someone at risk of FGM or trafficking?

Right, why do we need a feminism subject if you great people already know all there is to know?

Do you really have an issue with a women raising awareness of important issues facing women worldwide?

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TheInebriati · 11/08/2019 16:39

Abianda wasn’t recommended by me, by a brief search it appears they are a not for profit offer training on girls in gangs. They are also a women- only employer, which I think lang had as criteria.

That was not the reason people were asking questions about Abianda. There was a statement made by the founder about underage girls that has raised concerns.
2BthatUnnoticed posted on page 7;

  1. The founder refers to girls in gangs “orbiting around” older males, in an article which mentions a 10 yo girl “having sex” (not child rape).
  1. They’re recruiting for a “Girls & Gangs - Gender Consultant” although as per OP, victims of child rape surely have bigger worries than gender ID?
RosesAndRaindrops · 11/08/2019 16:35

Since when is MN not a parenting forum Confused

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 11/08/2019 16:34

I’m not here to hold everyone’s hand but to raise awareness of issues affecting women and girls

it's super that you came to feminism chat to do this - thanks

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Fraggling · 11/08/2019 16:32

'I’m not here to hold everyone’s hand but to raise awareness of issues affecting women and girls'

Thank God you're here early.

Without you we just end up talking about makeup and stuff. It's just so hard to stay focussed.

Your googling has really helped.

Thank you.

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 11/08/2019 16:31

I do query whether we are in a position to "check the credentials" of the anonymous users of a parenting forum

agreed. you just have to do the best you can, and form an opinion based on someone's posting history. I think this thread has amply demonstrated that plenty of people do just that.......

I wonder why the fact that it's a parenting forum (except MN isn't, really) seems particularly relevant to you?

TheInebriati · 11/08/2019 16:30

Amnesty have been discussed on FWR, a lot, and this is one reason why posters are asking questions about the charities and organisations linked, and not just taking them at face value.

''A report into the toxic work environment at Amnesty International has led to the senior leadership team offering to resign''
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3514901-Amnesty-Int-toxic-work-environment

Amnesty and 'sex work'.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3416180-AMnesty-question

www.mumsnet.com/SearchArch?mustmatch=Amnesty&dontmatch=&nickname=&src_displ_option=s_m_d_m&fromDate=10%2F08%2F18&toDate=11%2F08%2F19&topicmode=chs&chosentops=5365

Helmetbymidnight · 11/08/2019 16:30

ok margueritablue, my view is that its reasonable to expect anyone (with a good command of english) and with a strong interest in women's issues to be able to spell 'women'.

i understand your view is very different but going on and on isn't going to make me change my mind.

i still dont fully understand what lay behind ops initial inability to write the word 'women' nor Bespins but appreciate that op thought women was said and spelt the same as woman! i do still find it curious that two people on this thread struggle with it. i have never seen people in rl or on mn struggle with the word women before. i shall definitely watch out for it now if its a thing.

yeah, i am interested in language, nope, it doesn't make me special or unique, or even good at it - i'm just interested in language- my grammar is crap - my spelling is pretty poor too - but at least i wouldn't spell women wrong over 12 times in a thread about ...women Grin.

Earlywalker · 11/08/2019 16:28

Completely agree Cohle I would never profess to be an expert on any of these charities.

Everyone has their own criteria for who/what they give their time, money and emotional effort too. I won’t be going through every detail with every poster about the ins and outs of every organisation.

If you are interested in one as that is a cause you are passionate about, then great, you can look it up and see if it’s right for you. I’m not here to hold everyone’s hand but to raise awareness of issues affecting women and girls, share ideas on different ways we as individuals and society can help and see best ways to get involved.

Even if you have no money or time to give, raising awareness does help to shift attitudes, which ripples.

Abianda wasn’t recommended by me, by a brief search it appears they are a not for profit offer training on girls in gangs. They are also a women- only employer, which I think lang had as criteria.

Thanks I’ll try Amnesty International Smile

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Fraggling · 11/08/2019 16:23

It's a real shame about amnesty.

Loads of charities for people reveal rusty by people they mean men, when push comes to shove.

2BthatUnnoticed · 11/08/2019 16:21

Try Amnesty international for that ~ they’re a bit anti-women these days but are involved re political prisoners.

Are you able to share anything re abianda?

Cohle · 11/08/2019 16:21

obviously it's incumbent upon you to check the credentials of any expert you care to trust.

Yes, I agree. I have no problem with experts. I do query whether we are in a position to "check the credentials" of the anonymous users of a parenting forum.

The OP provided links to enable you to check for yourself the credentials of the charity she recommended.

Earlywalker · 11/08/2019 16:16

You can google most things you find on mumsnet Hmm

Does anyone know what we can do to help political prisoners imprisoned in their own countries?

Would writing to local MPs help?

I’m horrified at the idea of these women being inprisoned and tortured for fighting for their rights.

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barelove · 11/08/2019 16:01

Strange indeed Bernard Grin

I mean, almost, why bother? Unless......

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 11/08/2019 16:00

The risk is that unless the charities and organisations have been researched, they might actually not be that good for women. I suppose the OP is leaving us to do that work ourselves

I guess so barelove

it seems strange though. I can google with the best of em. don't need someone else to do it for me really.

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 11/08/2019 15:59

I think it's very dispiriting to see posters constantly get shouted down for apparently not being knowledgable enough to be worthy of posting here

good job I'm not doing that eh Chole ?

I asked early what she knew about the organisation she was recommending, and it appears that the answer was 'very little'

I know that some people (like Michael Gove for example) struggle with the idea of experts, that there are people who spend their lives learning about and doing certain things, and so when you are talking about those things, the stuff those people have to say is of greater value.

obviously it's incumbent upon you to check the credentials of any expert you care to trust. that's partly why TED talks should be approached with caution.

barelove · 11/08/2019 15:56

but what are you trying to do? why are you recommending organisations you seem to know nothing about?

Bernard OP donates to CAMFED, gives her kids old toys to the local mother and baby unit and puts food in the local food bank. Much the same as any of the rest of us. I don't think she's professing to know anything much about any of the many organisations she's linking to. This thread is now becoming a resource thread for charities that (hopefully) help women.

The risk is that unless the charities and organisations have been researched, they might actually not be that good for women. I suppose the OP is leaving us to do that work ourselves.

2BthatUnnoticed · 11/08/2019 15:53

TheIneb I’d certainly not donate my own used underwear, but sometimes my kids grow out of theirs without wearing it much (4yo’s Spider-Man undies etc).

I’ve donated those to charity but should I not? I’d hate to think I’m creating work for someone Blush

Cohle · 11/08/2019 15:53

It's partly why seeing potentially productive threads turn into a 1,000 post car crash is so painful.

Yes, isn't it.

I think it's very dispiriting to see posters constantly get shouted down for apparently not being knowledgable enough to be worthy of posting here. It's a public discussion forum and I, and I'm sure many others, come hear to learn about and discuss feminist issues with which I'm less familiar.

EmpressLesbianInChair · 11/08/2019 15:49

The local ladies rule with an iron fist (each is raising about five kids, one biologically hers, the others were orphaned). Only single mothers are there (husbands dead or disappeared) and “no (adult) males in the village.”

I’d be interested in donating to them myself, 2B. But it’s also an excellent example of a charity that Early, Roses, Bespin etc might call transphobic because it recognises women & girls as a sex. That’s the conflict of interest that so many of us are asking about.

Wurzelsnewhead · 11/08/2019 15:47

But surely raising awareness is only an effective form of campaigning if you actually have a sound understanding of the issues. Otherwise it’s just bullshit as far as I’m concerned. Empty words.
Attempting to discuss women’s issues whilst ignoring the ongoing transgender issue is superficial at best, wilful ignorance at worst.