Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

See all MNHQ comments on this thread

Issues facing woman and girls worldwide

341 replies

Earlywalker · 10/08/2019 09:02

Thought it could be useful to raise awareness of issues facing woman and girls worldwide and discuss what we can do to help them.

Please do feel free to add to the list also as there will be loads that I’ve missed.

It made me very angry writing and researching this:

FGM - ‘the ritual cutting or removal of some or all of the external female genitalia. The practice is found in Africa, Asia and the Middle East, and within communities from countries in which FGM is common’

FGM is still practiced within the UK and is of course illegal here, we have only had one successful prosecution since it was made illegal and it was February this year - www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-47094707

Girls are encouraged to not tell anyone about it, awareness for the communities and those around them is the only way we can end FGM here. With wider efforts needed accords the globe.

Safe access to abortion - this is not just something that happens in third world countries, this is happening on our very doorstep in the UK! Northern Ireland has still not updated its abortion laws. Woman are being forced to continue pregnancies, even if they are raped, even if it was through incest and this needs to change.

Child brides - 140 million girls will become child brides between 2011 and 2020 . Girls who marry before age 18 are typically denied an education, at risk of complications related to premature childbearing, and more vulnerable to intimate partner violence.

Maternal health - The World Health Organization estimates that 800 women die every day from preventable, pregnancy related causes. That’s nearly 300,000 lives per year needlessly lost during what is fundamentally a life-creating event.

Sex based violence 1 in 3 woman Experience physical or sexual abuse in their lifetime. I’m not sure what more I can say on this than attitudes need to change.

Access to education A 2013 report by UNESCO found that 31 million girls of primary school age were not in school, and about one out of every four young women in developing countries had never completed their primary school education. That number represents a huge pool of untapped girl power: that same report suggests that educated women are more likely to get married later, survive childbirth, raise healthy kids, find work, and earn more money, among other positives.

Trafficking of woman and children This is the fastest growing crime in the world, it pulls in an estimated $99billion per year and there’s an estimated 25 million people trapped in forced labour, with an estimated 71% being woman and girls.

OP posts:
Bespin · 11/08/2019 23:27

2BthatUnnoticed

if for one minute I thought you understood the complexity of this work or how it's carried out I would be worried.

I don't care if you don't want to like something I postedx but this social enterprise is doing work that very few people even know or care about with young people that are some of the hardest in the country to work with who often don't even want your help or take months of not years to fully engage at all. do not imply that they do not know how to work with these young girls because you have no idea how you would even start such work.

littlbrowndog · 11/08/2019 23:07

Raising awareness here

littlbrowndog · 11/08/2019 23:06

I guess now we have to focus on things closer to home to where women and girls now are being asked to disclose their sexual abuse stories to YHA just to ensure that they don’t have to share a dorm with a random guy

That’s where we are know in this country.
What do we think about this ?

2BthatUnnoticed · 11/08/2019 23:04

So in summary, I am unsure whether Abianda understands safeguarding. Based on a cursory look at their website, it sounds like they think a 10 yo can engage in “survival sex.”

They can’t. For the benefit of lurkers, and I know this is stating the obvious but a man or teenaged boy raped a 10yo girl and this is a criminal offence.

Hopefully Abianda has excellent safeguarding as any organisation working with this population really need it.

Again though - OP your post on FGM is great. I wonder if MN would add it to your OP? Would be good for everyone to see it.

barelove · 11/08/2019 23:04

maybe start another thread with that as the OP? Because it deserves to be read

Just caught up and agree with this ^^

This thread has morphed into something else and not everyone will get to see the informative fgm post.

Cohle · 11/08/2019 23:03

Thanks for your post Early. It raised some perspectives on FGM that I haven't heard discussed before. I'm so glad you didn't let your voice get shouted down.

2BthatUnnoticed · 11/08/2019 22:56

Just to clarify, the founder didn’t say “10 year old having sex,” but were quoted in an article with that heading. Abianda tweeted that article.

People questioned the language used - no response.

The founder did describe these girls as “orbiting around” the older male gang members.

As if it was all entirely voluntarily on their part - not that they were groomed and prostituted.

Police often struggle to see these girls (10+) and young women as victims.

So language matters.

Bespin · 11/08/2019 22:55

I was telly hartened by the thread at the beginning of it, well apart from the grammar police. but coming back to it yes there are some great links I've just been reading a few. but it still ended up. talking about some trans stuff for no real reason.

2BthatUnnoticed · 11/08/2019 22:47

Yes Early’s last post was good. In fact I think if you started with that, you might have had a different reception.

Early do you know if UK charities (NSPCC etc) are specifically trained in relation to FGM?

EmpressLesbianInChair · 11/08/2019 22:47

Early, StarFlowersWine for that last post. It’s really informative & eloquent.

We all know a lot of people don’t RTFT so maybe start another thread with that as the OP? Because it deserves to be read.

LangCleg · 11/08/2019 22:43

I find this thread so so sad that it could not have just been a place where people shared the things they were passionate about and links to information that would be useful to people on here.

Perhaps you could have contributed something more feminist than a website that talks about child rape using the language of consensual sex? That might have helped the thread along.

galaxybrain · 11/08/2019 22:43

Sorry you didn't find the numerous links, personal stories, advice and information about good causes interesting enough to read, bespin. You must've missed your own ones off of your post by mistake, though?

EmpressLesbianInChair · 11/08/2019 22:40

I find this thread so so sad that it could not have just been a place where people shared the things they were passionate about and links to information that would be useful to people on here.

Bespin, the word you’re missing is women. And you know perfectly well why so many questions were asked.

Fraggling · 11/08/2019 22:36

Forgot to put that in usa there are reports of fgm being practiced in more extreme Christian sects, and not recent / immigrants afaik

So that's another issue entirely, if some groups are taking it up.

PurpleCrowbar · 11/08/2019 22:31

I think Earlywalker's most recent post is good, actually.

I live in a MENA country & she's bang on that FGM is cultural rather than necessarily associated with a particular faith. That's not recognised enough.

We still need to be able to have clarity re which class of people this is done to, as well at whose behest it's being done, though.

Fraggling · 11/08/2019 22:27

Why is it so so sad

There are loads of links and information

Bespin · 11/08/2019 22:26

I find this thread so so sad that it could not have just been a place where people shared the things they were passionate about and links to information that would be useful to people on here.

Fraggling · 11/08/2019 22:24

Thanks early

I didn't know that fgm was predominantly an issue for Christian immigrants

I knew it was a cultural rather than religious practice, but really did associate it with people from parts of the world that culturally practiced fgm and were mainly muslim.

Cascade220 · 11/08/2019 22:23

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Earlywalker · 11/08/2019 21:39

As mentioned a snippet of My personal views on FGM. I’ll start by saying I’m not from a family that practices FGM and it’s not something that has personally ever been a viable threat to me.

I do though, have multiple friends whom I have grown up with who are from a culture like this and I am speaking solely as an outsider who has had friends personally affected and I have spoken to. By no means am I speaking for anyone else.

People don’t talk openly about FGM in my experience, unless prompted.

As a child this is just ‘normal’ much like getting your first period, you are told it is what happens and then it happens and you don’t really speak about it after. For many it happens before they can even speak.

From talking to a good friend, many members of her church came from the same region that do practice it, in a lot of these circles, the church becomes your ‘community’ within the UK and particularly with freshies you tend to gravitate towards those from similar places in the world (I’m generalising of course but it’s one avenue worth exploring) it is seen as a right of passage for girls to either go home to get cut or have it performed by the aunties and mothers in the UK.

I don’t think by any means that these churches are advocating for FGM at all, but that they should also take active roles in discussing the dangers. Much like mosques are starting to address terrorism, it is not a case of saying ‘all of you are terrorists’ but a case of understanding there are issues within that particular community and addressing them.

It is only the people within these communities that can truly stop it (from a UK perspective at least) but if no one is discussing it with them, how do they know any different?

I see that Midwife’s now have to note if a mother is cut, which is a great step, but where is this information going? Who is going to see these mothers if they have a daughter, and discuss FGM? If a mother has had it done, their daughter is statistically more at risk, we know this. Midwife’s are probably the only people who will see this region for a lot of women, you tend to be able to avoid most others like smears if you don’t want to be seen. So This May be a girls only chance.

As for the practices, I think it’s clear a lot of people are aware it’s illegal, which is why girls are told to keep quiet but a lot of people who practice FGM (mothers and fathers) really do believe what they are doing is ‘right’ and actually that their daughters won’t find husbands if they are uncut as this is ‘dirty’

So we need to not only look out for the girls, but educate the boys and men. Educate them that uncut does not equal dirty. Educate them on what being cut actually means

We eradicate the ‘need’ for FGM in these communities minds and we eradicate the abuse of it. Obviously this is something men need to work on too but I’m saying us as in people.

At this moment in time, figures show 144,000 girls are at risk of FGM in the UK and we need to talk about it more. Stop these communities normalising FGM by normalising discussion instead.

Obviously my post here is very broad and also very small perspective and analysis of action compared to all of the different avenues and societies.

This is a good article that goes into detail:

Annita Prem of Freedom Charity is a very inspiring women to look into if you have time. She is one women, who is actively making such a difference to girls in the UK. She’s inspiring.

www.theguardian.com/society/2018/mar/07/reported-cases-fgm-rise-sharply-uk-no-court-convictions

OP posts:
DejaVulva · 11/08/2019 21:34

Transvestite?

LangCleg · 11/08/2019 20:36

Transwoman is the correct term for a M T F transsexual.

What's the correct term for a cross dresser?

Wurzelsnewhead · 11/08/2019 19:47

Thanks for the transcrime website. It is horrifying that biological male crimes are being classified as female. Accurate data collection is of vital importance as how can crime strategies be of use if they’re not even identifying criminals correctly?? The website also lists U.K. based organisations advocating for women’s sex based rights, useful.

DejaVulva · 11/08/2019 19:33

Transwoman is the correct term for a M T F transsexual.

Many women prefer to use MtF Transsexual since we all know that no human can really change their sex. Therefore to associate any fabricated configuration of the term 'woman' in relation to any man is an example of hoodwinking.

Even UK law admits that fact.

Earlywalker · 11/08/2019 19:31

Great organisations listed!

Freedom programme I know a fair amount about and I would really advocate for this being taught in schools alongside sex & relationships education. Absolutely invaluable at helping to spot signs of abuse, patterns etc, but sadly most only do the course after some trauma, having something like this taught in schools I think would do the world of good! And a similar version for boys too.

OP posts: