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Issues facing woman and girls worldwide

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Earlywalker · 10/08/2019 09:02

Thought it could be useful to raise awareness of issues facing woman and girls worldwide and discuss what we can do to help them.

Please do feel free to add to the list also as there will be loads that I’ve missed.

It made me very angry writing and researching this:

FGM - ‘the ritual cutting or removal of some or all of the external female genitalia. The practice is found in Africa, Asia and the Middle East, and within communities from countries in which FGM is common’

FGM is still practiced within the UK and is of course illegal here, we have only had one successful prosecution since it was made illegal and it was February this year - www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-47094707

Girls are encouraged to not tell anyone about it, awareness for the communities and those around them is the only way we can end FGM here. With wider efforts needed accords the globe.

Safe access to abortion - this is not just something that happens in third world countries, this is happening on our very doorstep in the UK! Northern Ireland has still not updated its abortion laws. Woman are being forced to continue pregnancies, even if they are raped, even if it was through incest and this needs to change.

Child brides - 140 million girls will become child brides between 2011 and 2020 . Girls who marry before age 18 are typically denied an education, at risk of complications related to premature childbearing, and more vulnerable to intimate partner violence.

Maternal health - The World Health Organization estimates that 800 women die every day from preventable, pregnancy related causes. That’s nearly 300,000 lives per year needlessly lost during what is fundamentally a life-creating event.

Sex based violence 1 in 3 woman Experience physical or sexual abuse in their lifetime. I’m not sure what more I can say on this than attitudes need to change.

Access to education A 2013 report by UNESCO found that 31 million girls of primary school age were not in school, and about one out of every four young women in developing countries had never completed their primary school education. That number represents a huge pool of untapped girl power: that same report suggests that educated women are more likely to get married later, survive childbirth, raise healthy kids, find work, and earn more money, among other positives.

Trafficking of woman and children This is the fastest growing crime in the world, it pulls in an estimated $99billion per year and there’s an estimated 25 million people trapped in forced labour, with an estimated 71% being woman and girls.

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NotYourCisterinAus · 04/09/2019 01:20

I'm bumping this thread with a petition from Freedom United against forced marriage:

www.freedomunited.org/advocate/stand-against-forced-marriage/

(The Mumsnet mods moved my original thread to the Petitions board, but I think it will get more traction on FWR.)

NeurotrashWarrior · 12/08/2019 11:09

Posting on hop

V good series last week covering fgm and childbirth

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0007bjd

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 12/08/2019 09:36

Read your post on FGM *Early
It was fantastic and really informative-thank you

Earlywalker · 12/08/2019 09:07

I’ve explained up thread. I don’t argue against the fundamental basics. I argue if I disagree with someone/something and assess what is going on with an open mind.

I feel some posts/people/threads regarding trans issues are not for the benefit of women and girls and I disagree with some points.

If I get jumped on for disagreeing or not saying the same as everyone else (which I often do) then I’ll obviously defend my position.

I can separate the basics of being GC and the detriment to women and girls and individual posts/points and opinions.

I can and have agreed on many threads and have said this.

R.e FGM it all starts with awareness so I’m glad some of you find my post helpful Smile

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LangCleg · 12/08/2019 09:02

And once again Bespin shows an inability to recognise a massive red flag even when it waving two inches away from Bespin's nose.

For those reading in the hopes of finding useful campaigns and or charities: if an organisation involved in child protection uses the language of consensual sex rather than child rape to refer to CSE or CSA - this is a massive red flag. Children do not have sexual agency. Ignoring red flags like this leads to scandals such as we have seen at MESMAC, Oxfam and Save the Children.

If you see a charity doing this walk away, avoid. Dangerous work with children is not better than no work.

EmpressLesbianInChair · 12/08/2019 08:52

Early, I’m confused.

You wrote that excellent post. You know what a woman is. You say you’re against self-ID, men in women’s prisons, etc.

So why do you spend so much time arguing against protecting our rights on the GC threads?

Ereshkigal · 12/08/2019 08:32

One of the things i am concerned about in relation to women and girls is the utter incapacity of people who gravitate towards 'helping' them, to understand basic safeguarding. And to not even understand what rape is.

This.

Agrona · 12/08/2019 03:14

Earlywalker

Thank you for your very informative post about FGM. It raised many interesting issues which require thought.

2BthatUnnoticed · 12/08/2019 00:29

Need to log off but in case I wasn’t clear:

The public needs to know this is child rape. Too many people don’t understand this.

2BthatUnnoticed · 12/08/2019 00:28

Should have been *having sex” because of course it is wholly inaccurate.

A man raped that 10yo girl.

2BthatUnnoticed · 12/08/2019 00:26

That is deflection, Bespin.

My comments are on their comms with the public, which helps mould public perception.

The public should not be told about ten year olds having sex, for whom “sexual encounters with older gang members became a way of life.”

The 10yo needs to be supported and respected too, of course, but that is a separate discussion

sackrifice · 12/08/2019 00:19

One of the things i am concerned about in relation to women and girls is the utter incapacity of people who gravitate towards 'helping' them, to understand basic safeguarding. And to not even understand what rape is.

Bespin · 12/08/2019 00:02

truthisarevolutionaryact

So much that, there is so much that does need to be done and these young girls can not just be fixed in 3 or 6 months that LA seem to think can be done when they place them in secure or other childrens homes, this work will take years but there are few places that specialise in that work.

2BthatUnnoticed

if you know of any services or charity's that do this work you think are actually OK then please feel free to share them.

2BthatUnnoticed · 12/08/2019 00:01

And of course young girls and women are trauma bonded to their abusers, of course they don’t want to bring criminal proceedings... we all know this (I assume).

The Twitter feed is for the public, not for clients - and that one T post (again, did they later refute it?) is minimising child rape. She was ten.

TheInebriati · 12/08/2019 00:00

No Bespin, you are ignoring the point. No one here is talking about confronting children or retraumatizing them.
Don't keep repeating the same argument as if it needs specialist knowledge to understand.

The charity is ignoring the fact that children do not consent to sex and they are using the language of consent, and that is a massive red flag.

2BthatUnnoticed · 11/08/2019 23:57

Not the point Bespin - I’m not talking about the words you use when talking to a young client.

But about the words you (general you) put out in the public domain. There is a huge problem with the police, press, everyone thinking that a 10yo can consent.

An org like Abianda needs to challenge that perception not contribute to it.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 11/08/2019 23:56

Some of us have worked directly with these young women and their stories are tragic - they are often abandoned and isolated by their family and community and the prosecutions (of which there have been hundreds) have been stressful and complex and at times involved girls moving city for their own protection.
Sammy Woodhouse (a Rotherham survivor) speaks publicly about her experiences and has posted on here in the past. She's a brave women

We're still not great at addressing these issues with children and young people - they are complex and multi faceted - but there has been a massive investment in training to address the previous inadequacies. All safeguarding boards have guidelines on organised and complex abuse:
Here are the London ones:
www.londoncp.co.uk/chapters/organised_complex.html

Because of all the previous failings there is now a very systematic response to these disclosures, managed at a senior level in all LAs.

Bespin · 11/08/2019 23:55

2BthatUnnoticed

I would think that they are trying to work with the young girls to help move them away from the gangs so they can start to address the issues. To do this you need to not challenge them but give them something that can replace what the gang is giving them. these young people have nothing and you want to take away the best thing they have from them, they have often built up this whole rose tinted world around the gang and care massively for the people that abuse them.

Bespin · 11/08/2019 23:51

the young person is often suffering the trauma of this and confronting them and telling them its rape is not at all helpful in getting them to understand what as happened to them. there is no evidence in these cases little or no forensic evidence that can be used. These are very closed worlds that very few people ever see.

2BthatUnnoticed · 11/08/2019 23:49

Bespin

Here’s the thing though. I understand that 10 yo girls do not have sex. They are raped.

Based on their own Twitter feed, Abianda seem slightly fuzzy on this, no?

I know of a 12 yo girl who was repeatedly raped, after the police were informed, because the police thought she was “having sex.”

Language matters. Perhaps Abianda has since clarified that the language used in that article was wrong?

Bespin · 11/08/2019 23:47

Ereshkigal

yes, yes it totally is rape would you like to explain how the police prosicute that when the young person does not disclose it for months or years afterwards and then will not testify in relation to it and there are no other witnesses who will also testify. no one argues its not rape, its just not something at is so Stright forwards. the young girls often don't see it like that.

TheInebriati · 11/08/2019 23:46

What? Thats not answering the point! the point is the language that the charity used to describe rape, and the girls who have been raped.
It's distressingly similar to the language used by the police about the victims of grooming gangs.
there have been child victims of grooming who have had their compensation cut because it was decided that they were complicit, even though they were children, and were groomed.

Organisations that purport to assist them should not use that language or replicate that dynamic.

Rape is is not a crime that is dependent on the victim giving permission to prosecute. A rape prosecution would not hinge on the testimony of a 10 year old. That is absolutely not how child rape prosecutions proceed and your comment could put victims off coming forwards.

Ereshkigal · 11/08/2019 23:44

Sexual intercourse with a child 12 or under is automatically rape.

Bespin · 11/08/2019 23:32

I don't wish to detail this importent thread but let's just address this.

I know this is stating the obvious but a man or teenaged boy raped a 10yo girl and this is a criminal offence

yes its a criminal offence, the police can not often prosecute even though they know it occurs because the young girls believe its there fault or that they wanted to do it such is the grooming involved. no one gives evidence becuse of the threats from the gang, the only way is to help the young person come to terms with what happened and if at the point they do that then you can start to look to press charges. the saddest thing is that even then they Dont want to give evidence for a whole number of reasons.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 11/08/2019 23:28

Made a wee donation to Freedom Charity, early. Thanks for the useful post.