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Bragging about hitting women

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TowelNumber42 · 08/08/2019 23:39

My goodness this is terrifying.

Crowing on r/MtF about how great it was when a woman was slapped in the face when someone thought she might be about to use a person's former name.

Lots of super supportive comments from the community. It was top trending.

www.reddit.com/r/MtF/comments/cn4b29/throwback_to_that_time_my_friend_legit_slapped_a/

The mods locked it after disobedient women objected.

This is locked due to a brigade from r/GenderCritical. Your daily reminder that TERFs are parasites. The ban button is getting a workout today!

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TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 09/08/2019 17:46

How would you tell if they were Nazis?
Would you punch them if they bigger than you and really muscly or only if they were smaller and eg, 60 year old women?
My grandma was a bit racist in her late 70s, would you have punched her if she had come out and said some seriously fascist stuff?
Is there a particular definition of Nazi you are working from?
So many questions raised by this 'I punch Nazis' claim!

wibbletooth · 09/08/2019 17:45

And they only thought that they were going to be outed - the victim hadn’t actually said anything to out them, they were hit in anticipation of what was going to be said.

Which means the slap was effectively for a thought rather than something actually said.

Juells · 09/08/2019 17:36

Outing a trans person in public, depending on the context, can actually be construed as inciting violence against them.

Because nobody would ever guess.

The woman hadn't actually done anything, had she? It was thought that she might.

Manderleyagain · 09/08/2019 17:35

This is what happens if you allow words to be classed as violence. Violence in response is then justifiable.

The person's identity as their new gender is made of words - pronouns and names - and so words can damage it, and be so threatening to the person's self perception, and how they are trying to fashion their self to the outside world, that it's perceived as violence.

I think that's part of what's going on anyway.

East7thst · 09/08/2019 17:29

Nope I’m a cis woman

birdsdestiny · 09/08/2019 17:28

Loads of women read this site, many never post they just read. I wonder if people justifying violence realise what it looks like. The optics are so bad.

NeutralJanet · 09/08/2019 17:28

Are you a Transwoman East7thst? I've only ever seen people in that group use the phrase "go off I guess" or spout "punch a Terf today" rhetoric.

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East7thst · 09/08/2019 17:18

I would also love to give a good swing at trump, Robinson etc

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TowelNumber42 · 09/08/2019 17:17

What context could you imagine it being OK east?

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East7thst · 09/08/2019 17:17

I would always personally punch a nazi

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 09/08/2019 17:13

Cripes. An actual poster who thinks it’s ok to hit someone who says things you don’t like

Yikes

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TowelNumber42 · 09/08/2019 17:11

East I have met several rather convincing trans people. Men and women. They still do not pass. Maybe in photos. Maybe at a distance, especially when not walking or talking. Close up real life interaction? Is obvious.

Once again, if the person genuinely passed then it could be laughed off as ridiculous. Or, crazy thought, the person could be unashamed of being trans, own their reality.

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TowelNumber42 · 09/08/2019 17:05

I note they were vague about the context.

For example I can imagine the groupies of a certain person would have got violent if a bystander were about to say "Do you realise Jessica over there is the same person as Jonathan who sent those pervy messages?"

In what context would a woman saying "Didn't you used to be Kevin?" be so bad it doesn't merit a simple "I go by Kevina now. Please use my new name." and instead needs shutting down with violence.

I can think of two options.

  1. Defending collective delusion about passing. The woman never thinks for a second that the TW looks anything other than a TW and so, in certain contexts, might refer to the old name. "Yeah when we went to that concert and we met Bob after and we didn't even recognise him with that crazy haircut until he shouted 'Oi Kevin, how you doing' across the street." The other TW are horrified at the implicit assumption that Kevina does not pass 100% and lash out.
  1. The woman was going to link the name to wrongdoing. Possibly something that becomes obviously wrong only when you realise it was done as a man.
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Pota2 · 09/08/2019 17:04

Has anyone ever seen anger and vitriol of this kind directed towards eg racists or homophobes? Because I haven’t. So what it is about the trans issue that gets people so incredibly enraged that they want to punch and kill people? And not even the people who are violent or transphobic towards them- just some women who do not agree with everything they say. What is it that makes the trans thing so special that people respond in this way? Not just weirdos on the Internet but actual professionals (although I use that term quite loosely).

SunsetBeetch · 09/08/2019 17:02

Did you mean to break my irony meter, East?

NeutralJanet · 09/08/2019 17:00

Surely everybody will have been aware that the person was a transwoman

Having had a look at a recent picture of themselves they chose to post on Reddit I think you are correct.

East7thst · 09/08/2019 16:59

You clearly haven’t met many convincing trans people - I have! It’s a douche bag going to do because it puts them at risk of violence.

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TowelNumber42 · 09/08/2019 16:55

Trying to out someone as trans is an interesting concept. Interesting in the sense of being batshit crazy. Surely everybody will have been aware that the person was a transwoman. Using the person's prior name wouldn't have outed them.

If someone announced I used to be called Bob, the people around me wouldn't say "OMG, Towel is trans, she used to be a man!" No, they'd laugh and know it to be a joke because I am clearly not a transwoman.

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East7thst · 09/08/2019 15:55

I never once said she was to blame for being smacked one. But I am also not supporting her behavior either. Both of them sound like absolute whoppers to me.

FFSFFSFFS · 09/08/2019 15:51

Did they hit a "Girl" or a "Woman" I wonder?

There's an interesting use of language no?

Either they hit a child.

Or they hit an adult - but can't help but throw in a bit of misogynistic infantilising whilst proclaiming their womanhood.

Am I allowed to say that they're being a dick?

JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown · 09/08/2019 15:28

Ergh. Edit fail.

Should read:
No one's allowed to slap someone for saying things they don't like. It's not that complicated.

OvaHere · 09/08/2019 15:28

There's a good chance this was just another 'Things that never happened'. There's a lot of that on Reddit.

However the crowing over VAWG (real or imagined) is sickening.

JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown · 09/08/2019 15:26

Yes, it's victim blaming.

No one's aren't allowed to slap someone for saying things they don't like. It's not that complicated.