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TW in lesbian social group

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magnoliastellata · 08/08/2019 10:57

I've changed my name for this post. I'm a GC lesbian and I've been going to one particular social group for the last couple of years. We organise meet-ups through a closed FB group. There are probably about 50 of us but we don't all know each other or all meet up at any one time so I'm constantly meeting members I don't know. Anyone wishing to be involved needs to be introduced by someone already in the group. There is no specific NoTW rule but I would say that most women involved are GC and when we say 'lesbian' we don't mean someone with a dick. There are a couple of woke and blissfully-unthinking women but we're a closed FB group with a requirement that new recruits are vouched for by existing members precisely because we want to avoid being infiltrated by men.

I've missed the last couple of months' activities but went for a walk and then to a pub with the dykes last Sunday. We were joined by a number of other group members and an individual some of the women greeted by name and seemed to know.

I know women come in all shapes and sizes and styles and I respect that. The group includes some very masculine-looking women but I've never mistaken them for men. All I can say is that this person is very unusual looking; very pronounced jaw and heavy brow, no hips or bottom and what I think might be described as a beer belly with what looked to me more like moobs than boobs resting on top. They also had a very, very deep voice. My instinctive response to the entire package was 'Man alert, unidentified man in the lesbian group!'

I talked to this individual and their girlfriend for some time. Just the usual getting-to-know-you chat. The girlfriend seemed very subdued and nervous. The other one, the one who was already known to some of the group, stuck rigidly to vague factual information about the area of work they're in and their recent holiday and chose their words very carefully.

It turns out that neither lives in the area and that they'd driven more than 100 miles to get to the pub that night. The one I think may be a man was born locally and is a friend of a woman in the group (not one of the women who was there that night) and has, through her, gained access and attended occasional events.

I was given a lift home afterwards and as soon as the car started I asked the other three if anyone else had any concerns. Turns out that though the others in the car are GC and though they'd thought there was something weird, no one had wanted to go there. Once I voiced my thoughts they were 'Oh fuck, now you say it...'

Is any of this familiar to anyone out there? What did you do?

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MinnieTheSphinx · 08/08/2019 13:10

There are a couple of woke and blissfully-unthinking women

Typically patronising description so typical of these boards.

popehilarious · 08/08/2019 13:03

Agree with 2B. Unfortunately. It's bloody great progress when people are uncomfortable to talk about something so simple as a lesbian social group on a public forum :(

2BthatUnnoticed · 08/08/2019 12:56

This post is... rather odd.

OP in case you’re not aware, this site is watched, so not sure it’s the best place to discuss closed groups. In terms of privacy and security for you and others.

Your group sounds a lovely one - I’m sure you’ll be able to resolve Flowers

FormerMediocreMale · 08/08/2019 12:20

I dont always agree with what you say Sakura but i think i this instance you are spot on.

To me it feels like your brain having a bizarre arguement with itself over reality and social conditioning.

magnoliastellata · 08/08/2019 12:17

I wouldn't call it 'spooked'. Spooked has the implication that this is an irrational response and something that perhaps I need to get over. Horses get spooked by a branch or a bird, things there's no reason to be spooked by.

There's nothing irrational about joining a group intended for lesbian women and feeling a mixture of irritation, anger and concern that there is someone who is possibly (probably) not female in it and that other women have overridden their suspicions in order not to cause ructions.

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sakura184 · 08/08/2019 11:56

So this person basically passed, more or less? That's your feeling. I'm not sure what to say although I do remember Mary Daly talking about TW in one of her books. One of the things she said men like to do is "spook" women and they have a variety of ways of doing this. Trans is one of those ways. Your post does make like you've been "spooked" somehow, thrown off centre, something you can't really put your finger on. Your instincts are probably correct. How horrible that this kind of spooking of women goes on.

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