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The daily grind of entitled wankers

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Grace212 · 07/08/2019 18:27

A slightly unusual question for the board

I’m looking at driving again after a very long time. Today I had a refresher lesson. It was nice. But I did find myself wondering, will my world contain more or fewer entitled wankers if I’m driving again? As opposed to frequent public transport and a cab about once a week?

This may be the maddest question on the board but ...life is so full of arses.

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Grace212 · 07/08/2019 20:36

PS both seat height and steering height were adjustable today but the guy said my preferred position was wrong, so I did as I was told.

It was literally an inch on the seat that he was saying to me “you’ll much more damage to yourself in a crash”. I’m not trying to be closer to steering wheel but I have got to reach the pedals.

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Grace212 · 07/08/2019 20:34

Fraggling no way, my funeral is going to be private.

So on balance....yes, I’m just trying to work out which way of life is going to be more or less irritating.

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Gunk · 07/08/2019 20:30

You can adjust the height on seats now, often the steering wheel too. Ultimately you need to be comfortable. And I found that as I was driving more and gained more confidence I didn’t feel the need to be so close to the wheel.

Fraggling · 07/08/2019 20:27

Grace it has, most cars you can adjust driver seat height and steering wheel too.

Of course if you adjust it so you feel comfortable some wanker is always ready to say you're doing it wrong and you're going to die... Fuck them tbh. We're way more at risk in collisions anyway, and we'll always look like the car doesnt fit because guess what! They weren't designed with us in mind at all.

They can come and laugh at our funerals I suppose, they might find some self righteous pleasure in that.

Fraggling · 07/08/2019 20:23

' I frequently had the same discussion with clients who were small, for some reason they felt safer rammed against the wheel.'

Because we can't reach the fucking pedals otherwise, John.

Jesus christ.

Yes op is a thick argumentative twat. I asked if saying that makes you feel better, if you can't be that direct yourself, maybe it helps if someone else does it. Do you feel better telling the stupid short women they don't know their arse from their elbow, hmm?

Yes we know we're more likely to die, thanks to car manufacturers ignoring 50% of the population for years. And let's not even think about pregnant women and crashes, the cat manufacturers certainly don't want to have a nice chat about that.

Blah blah boring tbh. You sound like my dad.

Grace212 · 07/08/2019 20:21

I haven’t driven for 20 years and nothing in car design has changed to suit short people?!

5ft 4 sounds like a dream to me.

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FormerMediocreMale · 07/08/2019 20:17

Im 5'4 so bit taller but in a lot of cars closer to the wheel than is ideal re air bags. Cars are designed to fit the average man and my legs arent that long.

I would suggest test driving plenty of cars and adjusting wheel, seat to see which fits you best. You may find something a bit higher feels better, you get a better view of the road IMO.

Overall though i like driving and any encounter with wankers is outside of my space generally.

Grace212 · 07/08/2019 20:09

Joh I wouldn’t be jammed against the wheel, but about an inch closer than the instructor says.

Re airbags, at 5ft and with a child size neck, some people say either have a child airbag or don’t have an airbag. Not sure what to do there.

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Grace212 · 07/08/2019 20:06

In my day, we didn’t have any of these fancy features! I haven’t had a crash, unless you count.....I’m sure Joh will blame me .... a driver who went into me at a roundabout because he was looking at the right hand lane, and according to him, I should have been gone already! He was not pleased when I pointed out he was in the wrong.

I later wished I’d called police and had him breathalysed actually but I was too taken aback.

I had forgotten about car wankers over the years.

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Joh66 · 07/08/2019 20:02

Who is John? I frequently had the same discussion with clients who were small, for some reason they felt safer rammed against the wheel. In a modern car the airbag inflates and if you are too close can injure you particularly if you have glasses on. In an older car the steering wheel can seriously damage you both internally and externally which is why there is an appropriate seating position irrespective of your height. If you are jammed against the wheel because you can't depress the clutch without, find a different car/instructor. And seating position is one of the first things you should check before purchasing a new vehicle.

Gunk · 07/08/2019 20:01

Oh and my husband sometimes thinks I’m too close to the steering wheel in my car. I think because my position alters slightly depending on my foot ware that day, or how much pain I am in.

Gunk · 07/08/2019 19:56

I have only been driving three years.

I am only 5ft 1 and would say avoid Ford Focus. I managed to write mine off eight weeks after passing. I then got a Nissan Juke which had around view cameras and gave me a slightly elevated position. Plus the seat goes up a little higher anyway. Everyone says Ford seats don’t generally go up that high. Anyway, in the three years I had that, I didn’t crash once.

I now have a Vauxhall Crossland X which is bigger again. No cameras in this which is hard to get used to. I do have sensors though.

Regarding wankers. I find it easier in the car, at least I’m in my own safe space. I actually find it easier to ignore them in my car than on public transport.

Fraggling · 07/08/2019 19:43

Quarter to 3 lol

You know the ones I mean :D

Fraggling · 07/08/2019 19:42

Alright John, got a new motor :D

Yes op is a thick, argumentative twat.

Feel better now?

Grace212 · 07/08/2019 19:41

Joh

I didn’t argue. I drove as he instructed, because he said my choice of comfortable position was wrong. There was no way I’d hire an instructor and argue with them.

When I had my previous instructor, I did eventually say, politely, that he needed to think about the position I’d choose for the test. So ultimately I did end up driving in the position that suited me better, but probably after about 6 lessons.

I do think they don’t know what it’s like to find the right seating at five foot.

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Fraggling · 07/08/2019 19:41

'you would be more badly injured if something happened and you were too close”.'

Tell him that you'll be more badly injured no matter what happens as cars are still tested for the average man when it comes to safety. Even the ones that use 'female' dummies is small male ones.

Tell him that if it was too dangerous the car manufacturer wouldn't allow that setting.

Tell him to fuck off.

This stuff infuriates me.

Learning to drive, hands at quarter to 12 or 11.50. Mine kept dropping. Kept getting told off.

Got a car with an adjustable seat and steering wheel. Oh look! The reason was it was uncomfortable and hard work for me to keep them like that in non adjustable car, not bloody surprising they kept dropping. Easy when adjusted right.

Men build the world for them and laugh at us/ tell us we're rubbish when we can't do it because it's more difficult for us! Because it doesn't fit.

Recent poster pointed out this applies with field of vision and parking as well.

Pah.

Joh66 · 07/08/2019 19:31

So you are paying a driving instructor to take you through a refresher lesson or two but are arguing about the seating position with them. And are arrogant enough to think that they cannot possibly know what a correct seating position is. Bizarre Confused

Grace212 · 07/08/2019 19:30

DpWM

The sad thing is, I used to drive in central London a lot and it was enjoyable. Wouldn’t do it now though.

I would mostly be using the M11 and M25.

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Grace212 · 07/08/2019 19:28

Fraggling, yes, and this instructor said “you would be more badly injured if something happened and you were too close”.

But being too far from the clutch to be comfortable doesn’t make sense either.

The motoring injuries stats from that article are interesting. Have 4 x 4s been adapted for shorter drivers at all?

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DpWm · 07/08/2019 19:25

Make sure you stop for a man if you find both of you approach a road section from opposite directions that reduces traffic to a single lane in both directions, (eg with lots of parked cars) otherwise you may be given the finger. This happened to me recently.

Make sure you don't drive at the correct speed limit in the right hand lane, otherwise you will get some guy (usually in a BMW) attaching himself to your rear bumper until you concede by moving yourself behind that massive HGV in the left hand lane.

Make sure you don't slow down and drive carefully when hearing sirens from an ambulance/police car coming from the near vicinity, or some guy will beep furiously behind you.

Make sure you don't find yourself driving behind a bus that proves virtually impossible to overtake whenever it stops at the bus stop, or the idiot behind you will start beeping at you.

Can you tell I live in London?!

Don't drive in London. You'll be fine.

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Fraggling · 07/08/2019 19:24

'I was thinking of seat position and foot pedals really. I remember my instructor told me the point where I was comfortable was too close'

This sort of thing is so annoying.

Years ago before you could adjust height of drivers seat, you used to get tiny women on cushions with their noses barely above the steering wheel. My dad would laugh at them. Essentially they looked like that because cars were built for the average man, and the women didn't fit, and average men then laughed at them because of it. This is classic privilege in action.

First time i got a car I could adjust height of seat it was a revelation!

Men still tell us what to think though. You feel comfy. He says no you're doing it wrong. So it was forever. They are clueless. And don't want to get a clue.

ErrolTheDragon · 07/08/2019 19:17

I suppose I feel a lot more in control when I'm driving versus public transport. Perception of risk can be subjective, of course. The statistical probability of having an accident is (I think) quite a bit higher on the road, but the chances of unwelcome contact seem lower.

EverardDigby · 07/08/2019 19:16

I would hate not to have my car, most days I don't come across wankers, but it's so convenient for certain journeys that I would pay that price anyway. I also travel by train sometimes, which is mostly fine and faster for some journeys but won't get me everywhere I want to go. I hate cabs but then I was sexually assaulted in one so that would explain that!

Grace212 · 07/08/2019 19:07

Jelly, I see what you mean. Re steering wheel, yes, it was adjustable in this car. The instructor really felt that my choice was too close though. Like my instructor from 20 years ago, I wondered, can they just not compute the height difference?

Sorry, this is very boring but as this is the board who understand me, I’ll bore on

The current situation is, I have to do public transport some days for work. Last year my father died and I now spend a lot of time going to mum’s, one weekday and one weekend day.

With a car, the journey would be about 45 mins. With trains and buses, it’s about 1hr 45 on a good day. I stay the night there a lot, which I hate, but sometimes seems better than the long trek home.

I often end up taking a cab to make the journey a bit shorter. I’ve met well some dodgy cabbies, well, men who have made me feel uncomfortable. And then they’re either dropping me off at mine or mum’s. I never let these nosy parkers know that either of us live alone.

We used to have a few women cabbies in my area but not any more. The last one who packed it in told me she was unhappy with how the other cabbies behaved with her.

I don’t know which is going to be less hassle in the end. I suppose public transport seems worse in summer holidays too.

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