The daily grind of entitled wankers

Sorry too outing!

Going back to the OP's original question, I think in terms of being subjected to annoyance, harassment, being patronised etc by random male strangers, then public transport is worse. True, there are wankers behind the wheel of a car but they tend to wankers towards men as well as men. I mean, at least when you're in a car you don't have to talk to them. Nobody's going to say, "Give us a smile, luv."

Sometimes we just have to work with what we we've got @fraggling. I agree that cars have been designed predominantly by men, the same way bridges, boats and planes have been, and you know that it will take years for women to be in positions where they can change things and equal numbers are acheived in what were misguidedly previously designated male roles. Until inequality is just a word and not an experience we have to work with what we've got.

I made the comment about arrogance because op was paying a professional for teaching and advice but appeared to be ignoring that advice. Once op explained further it became clearer that the vehicle and perhaps the instructor may not be a good match.

@fraggling you are putting connotations to my posts that are not there.

Um. I think, fraggling, that you've decided in your imagination (possibly abetted by autocorrect)that 'Joh' is 'John' and are making some possibly invalid assumptions yourself.

Small feet can make a difference, not because women's feet are wrong but because of the design of cars.

Your instructor should not be spending lunch of the lesson discussing cars and having bantz with a random man.

I’d get a new instructor if I were you. Although it’s not easy to find a good one.

We got a female instructor for 17 year old DD at her request. She was rubbish and manipulative .

Then we got a male instructor who came highly recommended , who seemed good and got her through her test in a few lessons. Only later did DD disclose that he spend much of the lessons “ talking about politics mum but I just ignored him “.

“Oh really , what kind of politics ? “

“ Just stuff about Donald trump and how the holocaust and the moon landings were invented . And sometime about government conspiracies” .

Justice for shoes?
Loving this thread btw! As a cyclist, then walk/ public transport before driving if I have to, I’m not sure I have much to add other than I would have been tempted to terminate that driving lesson after the first 15 mins and refuse to pay as I don’t like paying paying for someone to patronise me.

Careful now.
Am mra will read that about the shoes and start a campaign for justice
I'm not even kidding!

My feet are so small that I don’t pay VAT on my shoes.

Driving instructor sounds a plank. Don't use him again. The world is awash with entitled wankers of both sexes - waiting rooms, roads, public transport, hospital wards, you name it, they're in every environment.

I'd probably drive on Mum days. I do alright on buses and trains because I will (always politely) ask people to move their bag so I can sit down and request manspreaders to shift up etc. I was shaking internally the first few times I did this, but the vast majority of people are in their own world on the train and aren't being deliberately dickish.

This is where being little has a huge advantage - most men don't want to be seen being horrible to someone significantly smaller than them.

That's right,

It was a poster who decided in their imagination that grace had argued arrogantly

That poster also agreed with the insteuctor that grace was too close even though that poster wasn't there at the time

What is it a woman's word is worth against a man's again? I think it's half.

Maybe we can have another lecture on why sitting close will kill us

While avoiding the elephant in the room which is that car safety has focussed on men forever,
Women have a (think it was) 40% greater chance of being killed or seriously injured in low speed crashes

But no!
It's women's fault for sitting so close!
Like we have to, to reach the ficking pedals
Oh and operate the thing with our abnormally small feet

Yes we know it's more dangerous but thanks for the easy earlier anyway.

Women
I'm comfortable
Man
no you're not that doesn't look comfy too me you're too close now can that be comfy
Woman
No really I'm comfy this is fine
Man
You are argumentative and arrogant
And furthermore, your feet are too small
Now get out and let me do it fgs

:D

'So you are paying a driving instructor to take you through a refresher lesson or two but are arguing about the seating position with them. And are arrogant enough to think that they cannot possibly know what a correct seating position is.'

John i thought that men knew better than women whether women are comfortable or not, and women who say no really this is more comfortable for me, are argumentative and arrogant?

Maybe women should walk everywhere really

And leave the driving to the men?

That sounds quite sensible. Each to their skills etc

If our feet are too small to drive then that the way it is. The design of cars is the way our is for a very good reason. The fact they fit men so much better is one of those weird coincidences.

@Fraggling who said that? 🤔

So our feet are too small and wrong

Poor feet :(

@tabulahrasa size of feet makes quite a difference depending on the position pedals are set on the floor.

@Grace212 maybe you could seek out a female instructor?

I think there's a certain amount of personal preference in seat position. My DD is pretty much the same size as me and seems to prefer higher and a bit further forward than me. Possibly because she's a new driver so manoeuvres are important and she's not been driving my car with all round sensors.

I find that if I'm in an unfamiliar car eg a loaner when mine is in for servicing or repair, that I start with the seat more forward and then as I get more used to it, move it back.

Ooh also, seat position... I’m not convinced it’s height that it’s based on.

I’m not short, I have longer legs than my DP in fact,

I’ve never once got in a car driven by a man - whether he’s my height or shorter than me and not had to pull the seat forward.

I assume they can reach the pedals...

So it must be something else that’s different about how men and women sit while driving?

So if they’re using male bodies to design them, even accounting for height it’s going to be wrong for women?