Remember that grey hair is rarely attractive

And Orn please don't give me the excuse that my username is too long. I pay (almost) every poster on here the respect of copying and pasting their full username unless it is a name which contains words or names which are standalone words.

Orn

I didn’t say it did, Marg

Please do not reduce my user name to Marg . For the record Ery I find Marg a very ugly diminutive.

MEn are more likely to lose thier hair.but based purely on my observation of grey hair, of those who keep their hair, they are much less likely to dye it. Until recently I was the only greying female in the office with many greying men. ( I got fed up of the greying stage, I dislike badger on anything but badgers. And one guy dyed his )

Although dh has recently been remarking on the increasing number of style and beauty ads aimed at men.

A gentleman of a certain age with a taste for expensive styling and equivalent financial means may not opt for a four weekly salon appointment so that no one knew he was grey.

The big difference is that men are far more likely to lose their hair.

Yes 100% wealth element also class /hair type / and of course race

I am v fair it's weighed lightly on me. Hoping to transitition from blonde to grey without much noticing.

Body hair and hair on head etc is extremely political subject.

Loads of great usa blogs and activism around this.

I do agree there is a wealth element to it. I don't have much money and going to the hair dressers is expensive for me so I just go when I can afford it. That's why the 'growing your grey out' trend is pretty good because it is levelling in terms of wealth, although not so levelling in terms of genes. If you have naturally thick, plentiful hair that goes silky silvery white and looks elegant and fabulous naturally then it's going to be easier for you to go grey than someone with fine thinning hair whose grey hair is patchy, wiry and frizzy. That's why it's a bit tedious when people with naturally fabulous hair tut at others who dye theirs, although I've not seen much of this on this board.

Absolutely

The real mr field came into the salon one time I was in there

It was about 2005 but I felt transported back to 1986

He has very bouncy hair think george Michael in heyday

Best hairdresser ever though for those in the know

He was doing the organic thing in the 80s and didn't somehow protect name legally

Awful story but decades old what a shocker seeing it on here!

Daniel is. Net people accept no substitutes :D

He should give me commission lol

Apologies to the real mr field, and more castigation of the imposters then.

Read tft

Oh poor old Dan

Not taking the piss

He was in a legal battle for years with these people. I'm local and old enough to remember his 15 mins in late 80s early 90s.

I have a home hairdresser now but used to go to his salon and my friends.
They make you look nice rather than give you one out the book like h9bbs and places.

I'm not him I promise :D but he's a good guy and the people who nicked his name took his brand I suppose, and now are being arses and getting mn riled... Anyway. His actual products (. Net address) are v nice.

Not rtft

Daniel name got stolen essentially years ago due to shit legal advice

Actual Daniel field stuff is here

www.danielfield.net/shop

Great salon etc as well, v reasonably priced

I really feel for him, he was in a legal battle for years over site in op,

Anyway, this is fyi.

I can't imagine him telling a woman to remember not to do x, just not his style. Not his site but has his name. Poor fella must be infuriating.

Will read now :D

Citadel, I’ll take some humidity here - it’s like the fecking Sahara.
Our Dan knows where the money is. It doesn’t go much further than that.

I haven't really been seeing any judgment of women doing whatever the heck they want with their hair on this thread, the criticism is of the bloke lecturing women on the matter.

There's no need for any woman to get defensive about her choices IMO.

I didn’t say it did, Marg. I linked cultural acceptability to wealth. Vaguely. It’s easier to to either dye or not dye (with social approval) as someone with the financial means. I just thought it was interesting how you chose to present a case for dyeing. It wouldn’t have been the same for someone else who was reliant on trying to get that natural effect from a box in the sink of a two up two down once they’d got the kids in bed.
Or not a natural look. Maybe purple. (I was desperate for an electric blue streak like that chap off Auf Wiedersehen Pet back in the eighties.)
Just introducing a class element into the discussion.
I don’t judge - as I said, I do have some envy. I just think that it’s interesting to consider the gendered practices. A gentleman of a certain age with a taste for expensive styling and equivalent financial means may not opt for a four weekly salon appointment so that no one knew he was grey. Whereas I have no doubt that his equivalently aged wife would be far more likely to.
It isn’t patronizing. It’s interesting. It doesn’t make you shallow. What would be more interesting is a lack of defensiveness about ‘beauty’ practices. I find historical facts interesting. Wigs. Pomade. Lice. Men in heels. Which practices have been gendered at which times. How money is linked. (Completely logically). And how now that trends are available to more people and transmitted more easily through social media that people with more access to money spend it to look ‘natural’. (No purple then.)
I’m too lazy to play with my appearance myself (although I’m always mildly interested in a product that stops the wild grey frizz from attempting world domination) but I retain curiousity about what’s hot and what’s not, from different cultural viewpoints, and the rationale.

Ornery do or don't do what you want with your hair. Not dyeing however does not make you a better , more enlightened or more intelligent person.

I'm so sick of the patronising attitude some women have about other women.

Ornery I most certainly do not look coiffed and groomed 95% of the time. I'm quite happy with my humidity frizzed hair scraped back and no makeup on. Sometimes I just think I want to make an effort but it's always for me.

I too can rock the Halloween look and could not care less if people stare at the state of me with my hot flush sweaty face

Fwiw, it’s hallowe’en every day here. I do retain a certain envy for those that have the interest and financial means to do tailored, coiffed and groomed. I’m far too lazy.

So, we’ve ascertained that it’s ok to dye your hair as long as the top notch salon makes it impossible to tell you have done so, and said barnet is paired with hand tailored frocks from a duchess’s needlewoman’s hand, and that this doesn’t negate supporting the arts.
Darlings, it’s just the peasantry that shouldn’t dye. Those of us who don’t fit into that bracket needn’t worry that our feminist credentials are in any way tarnished.

I jest. Sort of.

I'm mid 50's with the odd white/grey hair poking out so I have highlights put through 4 times a year, very natural ones though and not bleach blonde.

I certainly don't do it to attract men, I'm married and in the full force of menopause so my libido has been in an extended holiday and we sleep in separate beds because my night sweats are fucking awful tedious so I don't need another body making me hotter.

I've seen some fabulous heads of grey recently but until mine is actually going to look half decent grey, it's staying with highlights in. I can afford it and it pleases my eyes.

I do agree though that a box dye when older is far more ageing because it's one flat colour and no longer looks natural.

I'm 46 and have below bra strap length white/grey hair. I am frequently complimented on it (including by men if thats important) and told how elegant it looks (when I've made an effort, not when its plaited back for running).
Would I look better with it dyed (which I did for 10 years)? Maybe. Can I be arsed? No.

I am waiting to go grey in a stylish manner. It might be the first time I manage stylish!

I am way too lazy to do anything else.

Sorry, Marguerita, didn't mean to sound condescending. I'm a habitual hair-dyer. Actually just yesterday I badly botched up a dye-job and am currently sporting a dodgy orange barnet, so I wouldn't want to make any claims of aesthetic refinement...

I'm amused by the idea men care one way or the other about women's hair. I'm pretty sure it isn't what's above the neck that initially attracts their attention.

I do admire those who maintain an attractive appearance for it's own sake, but I'm far too lazy. I can much better satisfy my desire for beauty by looking at a painting rather than my own rather plain self in the mirror

Oddly, the ability to be interested in and care about one's own appearance doesn't preclude appreciating the arts or the suspension of being interested and involved in many other things.

It's always the same on this sort of thread. Women who don't proudly keep their grey hair etc are either vacuous or trying to catch a man.

I do admire those who maintain an attractive appearance for it's own sake, but I'm far too lazy. I can much better satisfy my desire for beauty by looking at a painting rather than my own rather plain self in the mirror.

Re: the sex angle, I think it's a shame that women have entered what amounts to an expensive, time-consuming beauty arms race. Men will have sex with literally anything (animals, corpses, vegetables), so the efforts I grudgingly make do seem rather superfluous.

Do I only go out in public with a bag over my head??!

You DARE to go out in public?! Get back inside where you belong! None of this going out in public malarky. That is men's work!