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Remember that grey hair is rarely attractive

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TheGreysAreComing · 07/08/2019 16:46

5. Remember that grey hair is rarely attractive unless you have the correct combination of skin tone and eye colouring! (You suit clothes in blues, lilacs, greys and pinks and have neutral skin tone and grey/blue eyes).

www.danielfieldmailorder.co.uk/support/?q=1017

Thoughts? Posting this in FWR as I know AIBU will be full of posters who wish to post that actually they do believe grey hair on women is unattractive.. like pubes, and women leaving the house without a chaperone face full of makeup.

Regardless of a person's personal beliefs on grey hair (or any colour) there is something exceptionally sexist and patronising in advising women to remember they are unattractive. Now, now ladies, lest you forget or start to feel confident in your hair colour, you are probably unattractive.

Also, I've known lots of beautiful black women with grey hair btw but not a single one with blue eyes though.. so not sure if this brand counts them or not. Hmm

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Fraggling · 13/08/2019 19:05

I'm really glad to hear that the issues were resolved, thank you for answering that nick.

I know it was a big issue for a long time so I'm sure you understand me wanting to see what the situation was and support Daniel if things were still awry.

Anyone in striking distance of north London/ herts area, I'd highly recommend the salon.

DanielFieldDirect · 13/08/2019 10:57

Hi Fraggling,

Sorry not to have responded directly to your query re: ownership in more detail in my initial reply. I felt that the old issues around the name weren’t really the topic of the thread, and didn’t want to hijack it, thus hoped that a simple re-assurance would suffice.

You are absolutely right that until a few years ago there was an on-going dispute about the use of Daniel’s name. However Daniel Field Direct has always been part-owned by Daniel, and we were working alongside him to help resolve the dispute which was with a third party.

I’m happy to report that matters were resolved back in 2015. Whist we remain the main distributor for Daniel, there are now about half a dozen websites selling his products online (including, as you note, the salons own .net website, which only began selling online recently). As far as we are aware, all sell the genuine products from Daniel Field.

I hope this helps to clarify things, but you could always phone the salon or call in if you would like to check with them.

Best wishes,
Nick

Fraggling · 12/08/2019 20:39

Seriously?

Wow.

I mean it's local to to me and of course I care. Daniels salon is great and has been for at least 25 years.

Wtf with people randomly popping up to say woooah you're dodgy

Bizarre

Everyone local knows

  1. Daniel salon super
  2. Daniel products fab
  3. Daniel involved in awful court battle for years over his own name
  4. Daniel walks away?

This is local for me and we stick together.

danielfield.net/home

Fraggling · 12/08/2019 20:28

Oh lol

peoplearepeople · 12/08/2019 20:16

Fraggling. - I'm pretty sure that the original address posted here (danielfieldmailorder) is the correct one for Daniel Field. If I remember correctly the fake one was this one here that Daniel had issues with. www.simply-haircare.co.uk/template/catalog/index.php/daniel-field-watercolour-c-47?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI46-FgoX-4wIVhLHtCh1qrQwYEAAYAiAAEgLDOPD_BwE
I used to buy regularly from both sites years ago until I found out about the fraudulent one. I had an email from them a while ago saying that they were now officially allowed to sell Daniel's products, but they still seem rather fishy to me.

TheGraysAreComing · 12/08/2019 20:09

@DanielFieldDirect oh and fair play. That was a good response. I may well take up the product that was in my basket (received an email from your company asking why I hadn't completed my purchase) next month.

I did, unfortunately, buy hair dye elsewhere as I really do not support sexism in advertising.

TheGraysAreComing · 12/08/2019 20:07

Um Actually according to Daniel Field's post here, that is his website. Another poster on thread also mentions that she spoke with his salon and was pointed to the one in OP as the correct website. I had seen that before I went to the website as was looking for hair colour recommendations on MN.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/style_and_beauty/677164-daniel-field-watercolours-any-advice-re-colour-to-use?msgid=41863030

You may well be posting the address for the imposter company if that hasn't been sorted out.

Fraggling · 12/08/2019 19:45

Know I seem overly invested but it's local business with lovely people + getting your name stolen is awful.

Fraggling · 12/08/2019 19:44

danielfield.net/home

Fraggling · 12/08/2019 19:44

Real daniel field

Fraggling · 12/08/2019 19:43

Well,

Apart from the fact they stole someone's name and brand about 30 years ago...

Not seeing anything to suggest it was resolved.

Know I seem to be banging on but some gray hair chat is least of probs with this company.
Not had anything to show they made up.

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 12/08/2019 16:50

That's a decent apology. Definitely how to do PR.

Yes, much as I am irritated that anyone ever thought it appropriate to write such a statement if we want things to change we do have to allow companies to apologise and move on, so thank you, Nick.

woodhill · 12/08/2019 16:23

Sir Elton, Jason Donovan and James Nesbit don't embrace their thinning hair.

dancingcamper · 12/08/2019 15:16

That's a decent apology. Definitely how to do PR.

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 12/08/2019 10:13

Maybe we need to start pointing out to men that balding, middle aged spread and erectile dysfunction ain't all that desirable either.

Hmmm, I'm mostly in agreement but actually find bald men attractive.

At least bald men who embrace their baldness. Comb-overs and weaves look stupid.

KateUrrer · 12/08/2019 10:03

Yes olive skin, dark eyes, grey hair can look wonderful. So it is an obvious crock.

Fraggling · 11/08/2019 22:35

I for one would be happier if society wasn't sexist in terms of judging women on how they look and men on what they do and say

But we are nowhere near that

And the results in middle age are v interesting

Fraggling · 11/08/2019 22:33

Lol bubble too true

I look at the men at work and the women. The women look way better because we are taught that we need to 'make an effort' from a young age. So by the time we get to 40 we, I mean on average, are looking pretty good.

This is the age when men's natural looks start to wane and, never having been given the impression that their looks are important or relevant past trying to pull down the cat & hamster on a Fri night, they have no idea what to do. And also, they feel that they should be fine just as they are.

And then you get this weird thing 40-50 where the men mostly suddenly look terrible and the women just don't.

It's really interesting.

Of course those same men, if single, would deem the way out of their league female contemporaries as totally past it 🙄

Bubbletrouble43 · 11/08/2019 20:32

Anyway my mum has dark Olive skin and brown eyes and cropped white hair and she looks fucking amazing so it's rubbish any way. I know that's not the point. Maybe we need to start pointing out to men that balding, middle aged spread and erectile dysfunction ain't all that desirable either.

Ornery · 11/08/2019 16:50

All proprietorship matters aside, thanks Nick.

Fraggling · 11/08/2019 16:13

I'd stick to Daniel field. Net to be on the safe side tbh.

Did you come to an agreement with daniel in the end then nick? My knowledge is 20 years out of date but I know he was very upset and angry. If that was all resolved its great. I note his Facebook page does not link to your website nor his main. net business website. Do you have a link to anything from him when you made up with him? It was a bitter dispute at the time, of course things can change.

He's a local business so I'd want to be sure you were trading with his full support now, before considering purchasing from you.

DanielFieldDirect · 11/08/2019 15:02

Hello Everyone,

I’m Nick from Daniel Field Direct.

First of all, I’d like to apologise on behalf of the whole team for any offence that has been caused by the wording used on our website. The OP was right to draw attention to it, and we have just removed the line from the webpage it was on. Next week we will start work on an updated version of the PDF instruction guide we use, and as soon as it is available, will replace the current PDF guide with a more up to date version.

As a small business, there are often not enough hours in the day to make all the improvements we would like. However, we’re embarrassed this was written, that we didn’t pick up on the wording used when it was originally proofed many years ago, and even more so that it was still on our website until today.

We don’t think anyone should feel compelled to colour their hair, but we’d like to think that for those who wish to we’re able to provide an option that is free from so many of the unpleasant chemicals in most hair dyes.

Thank you everyone – and we’re sorry we ever published this copy.
Nick

P.S. For the avoidance of doubt, we’d like to clarify that we are the main distributor for Daniel’s products. If in doubt, you can check this out at Companies House, where you will see Daniel listed as a major shareholder of Daniel Field Direct.

whatwouldbigfatfannydo · 11/08/2019 12:48

25 here and not dyed my hair in years! Main reason is, I want it to be my own colour so the grey comes in more naturally. Can't wait to go grey!
Also mixed race, with long curly hair, green eyes and olive skin. If there's anything inccorect about that, please point it out to me so I can give you a suitable response! Grin

Fraggling · 11/08/2019 12:39

You could really fuck them off by pointing friends and family to actual Daniel field, which is the .net address and salon in new barnet. His real products are v good. There used to be a statement on his blog about all this...

Cwenthryth · 11/08/2019 12:02

Have people complained to the website - it looks like the quote in the OP has been deleted? It only goes up to number 4 now?

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