Kathy Burke "All Woman" article and TV

Really refreshing to see an honest 'childfree by choice' situation. Would've been even better if they could've mentioned that women are discriminated against even if they don't want children i.e. it's often assumed women of fertile age will go off work to have kids (I know they mentioned how childfree-by-choice is often looked down on, but not that they get this assumption in the workplace!)

I love KB.

She is clearly a feminist, she just doesn't realise it.
I think there's a lot of confusion over exactly what it means.

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The next one is about relationships and the compromises made while in them.

I think that she was just label dodging which is her right. I thought last night's show was great. She has made a three part series about WOMEN! She has not mentioned TW once and I love it - whatever she has said about this is important yes, but the main thing is that she has made three programmes just about us!

She annoyed me a bit when she didn't reply that yes she is a feminist. Everything she does and says screams that she is, why wouldn't she say it? It's not a dirty word (not that she's averse to them anyway!).

I think this is a fab prog, I'm enjoying watching and tonight really resonates with me.

Id bloody love to see her chairing Question Time.

I loved the first episode. I thought she really highlighted some of the pressures faced by women, particularly young women. And the plastic surgery was just horrific.
Looking forward to seeing the rest.

God shes brilliant. So glad this prog has covered being child free by choice too.

'I like to go home, shut the door and skin up'.

Just watching this. Wish I could show it to my 12 year old. The message she is giving is so important.

We'll still exist in reality, even if legally we don't.

Do you not see a problem with this? Of course we'll always exist but without sex as a distinctly different legal concept to gender we have no protection against sex based discrimination and will not benefit from any measures put in place to give us equality of opportunity, this is why a 20 something biological male is a women's officer in a politically party which has all women shortlist.

Has the second episode been on yet? I watched the first and thought it was excellent.

Embrace plastic surgery....

Here's a thought. How about developing society (and its provisions and its media messaging) to support people in accepting and loving their bodies and themselves exactly the way they are?

That surgeon isnt thinking of anything beyond ££££££££££££

Just watched the "beauty" episode and there is no way - no way - that Kathy wouldn't clock what's going on with girls IDing as boys in 2 seconds if she looked into it. That was a brilliant episode. Kathy is just utterly wonderful - I love how she points out at every opportunity that it's male artists, philosophers, photographers etc who are still controlling the narrative about what is and isn't beautiful. And some of those one liners need to go on t-shirts . "What's wrong with a hairy fanny?" - perfection. I did have a little cry though when she talked about being grateful for not having kids because I've just had a daughter myself. That young woman getting the breast augmentation who said "obviously no one is born perfect" - yes, yes we are. Those were the very first words I said to my daughter - "you're perfect". She was absolutely born perfect and it makes me sick to think she might grow up to believe otherwise.

That surgeon who said that we need to embrace plastic surgery because "it's part of our culture now and there's no going back" needs to fuck to the far side of off and stay there.

It sounds to me as though she wanted to make a programme about women and by women, and has.

The trans issue is something that she clearly thinks is significant, but doesn't perhaps know enough about. Her comments are tentative to me.

I have zero doubt that the woman who understands exactly what being a woman means, will eventually be an ally to women everywhere. Time is the only thing required.

I think that’s a fair point MrsTodd, I think the vast majority of people know that transwomen aren’t real women, but allow a professional politeness, many of these women haven’t really thought through the full implications of a change of language.

I loved the programme and am looking forward to seeing the rest of the series.

It's possible that there are elements of the issue that she hasn't thought of or about yet.

When I first dipped my toe in GC waters years ago, I hadn't thought at all about the issue of what it would mean to redefine the word woman.

If you think about what a woman means, everyone knows (or knows and virtue signals).

But it actually doesn't matter what we all know, what matters is what the law says. If the law says a woman is no longer a member of a discrete biological sex class, then women no longer have sex based protections under EA2010, or any other law.

That may be the point that KB hasn't got to yet, and that it is this that we refer to by female erasure.

Or she may be dancing round the interview. At the end of the day, esp as the Graun are in the news for being transphobic, they were bound to ask. I'd be surprised if they didn't bring it up. It's like the Guardian Woke Test™️

There was no need for her to mention TW at all. They dont need to talked about at all if it's not about them.

Was she not asked in an interview?

KB is nobodies puppet. She may have a huge woke fanbase but ask her if TWAW and she wouldn’t lie. She may deflect the question. But she knows they aren’t women.

Exactly, I do not consider transwomen to be women and it would not enter my head to speak of them if I was talking of women’s issues.

it was a swipe at the gender critical movement...

That's how I read it too.

Obviously, no one thinks there will be a literal wiping out of women. No matter how many times we are told to DIAGF.

There was no need for her to mention TW at all. They dont need to talked about at all if it's not about them.

I saw an advert today for a woman only activity. TW just simply weren't mentioned. No talk of inclusivity, no talk of 'identifying as women', no apology, no justification; just women.