Isn't Helen Webberley still prevented from providing services in UK?

Narcissistic rage in real time.
Wild.

Well - I guess ignorance is bliss isn’t it ladies? ..

Keep typing away and copying and pasting if it makes you feel that much better. Keep bitching and whining about others and acting like a scene from mean girls. Keep on ganging up and bullying people from behind the comfort of your keyboard.

You have made it abundantly obvious that you have no interest in hearing anything other than negative comments which is actually quite sad.

Compassion costs nothing, understanding costs nothing - politeness costs nothing and yet it is something this little group is unable to give out.

Oh and thank you to whoever copied and pasted the meaning of gender dysphoria, I never knew what it was until you gave me your wonderful copied and pasted words of wisdom from the internet.

Silly me for trying to educate you on the inaccuracy of the British Press and internet. I mean it’s not like a trans person who uses Gender GP would have any more knowledge of this subject than the great elite who copy and paste things they see fit to try and prove themselves right, but refuse to acknowledge any actual facts given to them.

On that note - I saw this website and thought you all might like it. It’s on the internet so it must be true right? I copied and pasted the link especially for you , it took my tiny little trans mind a while to work out which button to press on my box with letters on it but I finally got there in the end - theflatearthsociety.org/home/

Did you know that Freddie Starr once ate someones hamster? 😮😮😮 Knock yourself out and look online - it was even in British press so it must be 100% accurate!!!

Laters bints

Encouraging paediatric transition (with unlicensed doctors!) is my instant shit list criteria.

DuLANG, I wouldn't want to guess. According to the linguistic hoops required on FWR, according to their own claims, legitimately someone feminism is for, so I was happy to do some 'Feminism 101 - Gender is an oppressive lie' stuff, because I'm a fluffy bunny and contrary to certain quarters, we're not all-vipers, all-the-time

R0wantrees

Thank you for the links.
Sometimes I forget and think I wish Rowan was back and you are!
It's really a good place when you are here.You're a Power House.
It's stange that someone will try to defend a doctor who has been prosecuted with criminal charges and say that they have been misunderstood.

Claims to be a 44yo female to male, DuLANG so prolly not AGP.

So either AAP or Swhittle style misogyny?

My NHS GP and many others happily work with Gender GP as they support their work. Dr Webberley’s actions are being scandalised due to lack of understanding by the GMC. Her practices are seen as normal by most countries - it is just our lack of understanding in the UK that has lead to Dr Webberley and her Husband being demonised in the press.

Both of the Drs Webberley were reported to the GMC by medical practitioners due to failures in their practice. Dr Helen Webberley was found guilty of a criminal offence.

It would be negligent & reckless for NHS GPs to disregard these facts.

2017 Helen Webberley was suspended by GMC as she prescribed cross sex hormones to children contrary to NHS guidelines:

"The investigation was launched after two GPs complained to the GMC about Dr Webberley's private clinic, which specialises in gender issues.

She told the BBC she had given cross-sex hormone treatment to one 12-year-old and three 15-year-olds, despite NHS guidelines that they be given at about 16 or over.

"There are many children under 16 who are desperate to start what they would consider their natural puberty earlier than that," Dr Webberley told BBC Wales"
www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-41213534

October 2018:
Helen Webberley was found guilty of criminal charges following prosecution by Health Inspectorate Wales:

"HIW has today successfully prosecuted Online GP Services Ltd and Dr Helen Webberley for illegally providing online healthcare services which require registration under the Care Standards Act 2000"
hiw.org.uk/news/onlinegpprosecution?lang=en

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3588654-dr-mike-webberley-suspended

Claims to be a 44yo female to male, DuLANG so prolly not AGP.

The skirt thing - well even in this day you don’t send your son to school in a skirt because it was and still is seen as a feminine item of clothing. 36 ish years ago this was even more the case.

But girls don't have to wear skirts. I had to wear them for school, but rarely did so outside school or since I left school in the 70s. Surely you wouldn't change your body just because you dislike an item of clothing which has been randomly assigned as 'female' in our society?

Gender is an oppressive concept. We'd all be better off without it. I'm female but can do what I want whether society labels those things as 'for men' or 'for women'. We don't have to follow arbitrary rules like that.

from inews:
"Dr Helen Webberley believes the number of young trans people suffering from mental health issues because of puberty blockers is reason for children to be allowed to transition sooner, rather than later.

"Puberty blockers are the most natural way for a child to be given the space they need to think about their gender," Dr Webberley told i. "The UK is the only place where children are forced to have at least a year on puberty blockers, even if they already know their gender identity."

Natural?

February 2019 BMJ EBM Spotlight paper by Prof Carl Heneghan
'Gender-affirming hormone in children and adolescents – Evidence review'
Posted on 25th February 2019

(extract)
"Gender dysphoria occurs when a person experiences discomfort or distress because of a mismatch between their biological sex and gender identity. Gender dysphoria can arise in childhood and adolescent which raises many questions about how best to handle the condition. This post sets out the current evidence for gender-affirming hormones in adolescents and children to aid decision making. (continues)

"Conclusions

There are significant problems with how the evidence for Gender-affirming cross-sex hormone has been collected and analysed that prevents definitive conclusions to be drawn. Similar to puberty blockers, the evidence is limited by small sample sizes; retrospective methods, loss of considerable numbers of patients in follow-up. The majority of studies also lack a control group (only two studies used controls). Interventions have heterogeneous treatment regimes complicating comparisons between studies. Also adherence to the interventions are either not reported or at best inconsistent. Subjective outcomes, which are highly prevalent in the studies, are also prone to bias due to lack of blinding, and many effects can be explained by regression to the mean.

The development of these interventions should, therefore, occur in the context of research. Treatments for under 18 gender dysphoric children and adolescents remain largely experimental. There are a large number of unanswered questions that include the age at start, reversibility; adverse events, long term effects on mental health, quality of life, bone mineral density, osteoporosis in later life and cognition. We wonder whether off label use is appropriate and justified for drugs such as spironolactone which can cause substantial harms, including death. We are also ignorant of the long-term safety profiles of the different GAH regimens. The current evidence base does not support informed decision making and safe practice."
blogs.bmj.com/bmjebmspotlight/2019/02/25/gender-affirming-hormone-in-children-and-adolescents-evidence-review/

Cw, please do not spread misinformation in your eagerness to promote this doctor.

The drugs used to block puberty are not a harmless pause and more goes on in puberty than the physical changes you have mentioned. They are not without consequence, even when used for children with precocious puberty, and it is irresponsible and inaccurate to suggest they are.

As we have mentioned, most of us here reject gender entirely. We simply accept sex. That says nothing about how we feel about ourselves in the bodies we find ourselves in.

Your body aligned with your mind.
I do not have a female or lady brain.
I am female because if my biology.
My mind, do you mean my personality or/and how I think of myself?

So you think it's fine that webberley gave drugs to children illegally?

Puberty blockers only stop the physical aspects of puberty taking hold such as breasts in girls, voice breaking in boys, facial and body hair in boys. As soon as you come off them your body will just start puberty. It gives younger trans individuals time to have counselling etc and to explore and figure out the way they wish to go forward.

Young or old - you might regret your decision to transition, but that is why everyone is given counselling at the start of treatment.

My NHS GP and many others happily work with Gender GP as they support their work. Dr Webberley’s actions are being scandalised due to lack of understanding by the GMC. Her practices are seen as normal by most countries - it is just our lack of understanding in the UK that has lead to Dr Webberley and her Husband being demonised in the press.

I didn’t assume anyone’s gender by the way, I assumed that your body aligned with your mind - this was based on the fact that you have limited knowledge of Uk trans healthcare. But if you are transgender then I apologise and would be happy to compare your experiences of the system to mine.

What's up tonight? A few posts on threads giving the other side of the issues...
My daughter is 3, she already "knows" pink is for girls, she said she doesn't like the tent her granda gave her because it isn't pink.
and yet she's been playing in it constantly.

I do not like sex stereotypes.
I do not like that female characters in kids shows have eyelashes and the males don't.
I do not like that most girls have unwanted male attention when we hit puperty or before.
I didn't have a gender identity when I was 6 and I do not have one now.
What about Keira Bell, hormones at 16 and a masetomy at 19 and now regrets it.
Do you really think a 6 or 7 year old should have puperty blockers?
We are not enemies cw

So I guess that makes me the Innocent Prawn, Floral? I'm blushing..

CW, can I please caution you most strongly about saying without any qualification that 'lots of trans people are taking their own lives'. It's a profoundly dangerous way to talk about a complex issue.

Many of us have felt a disconnect between body and sense of self. I really don't understand why you cannot accept that others may have similar experiences but dealt with them differently. Most of us here don't believe there is such a thing as an innate 'gender identity' - there is our sex, and there are a whole lot of unhelpful ideas layered on top of that which make up 'gender'. Feminists reject it.

Ok - well I guess this goes back to the point I made in that it is hard for someone who is born with their body and mind aligned to know how it’s feels to have a body that conflicts with how their mind is.

The skirt thing - well even in this day you don’t send your son to school in a skirt because it was and still is seen as a feminine item of clothing. 36 ish years ago this was even more the case.

I have not had surgery, I take medication (testosterone) and a hormone blocker for oestrogen so that my body is aligning more to a male type body to match my mind. It is an horrendous inner conflict and I don’t expect anyone to understand it who hasn’t felt it themselves and so it is very difficult to explain.

I have been on the NHS waiting list to see the Gender clinic for over 3 years and I still haven’t even yet had an offer for my first appointment. They wont even give out waiting list estimates any more because they are so inadequately staffed due lack of specialists in that field of expertise. It’s at breaking point and because of this a lot of trans people are taking their own lives. I am lucky to have a supportive wife but other people/kids don’t have supportive parents or family members. Doctor Webberley and her team are respected by a lot of the medical professionals but due to lack of knowledge in the uk in this area the GMC have no base line to decide what is deemed adequate qualifications to practice in this field.

Bugger, I am TheGuiltyPrawn. Silly nonsense name changes to make puns, and I forget to change back. I'd be such a rubbish sock puppeteer!!

I am guessing you have always felt the same gender that matched your physical appearance

Please don't "guess" anybody's gender.

Cw - the subject of this thread is Helen Webberley's suspension and criminal charges.

I checked whether posters on this thread were, as you say, misinformed. On this matter you are incorrect. There was a hearing recently (Jan 2020) and the suspension remains.
www.mpts-uk.org/hearings-and-decisions/interim-orders-tribunals/dr-helen-webberley

Cw, it's one thing to feel that the course of action you have taken is right for you. But you have no way of knowing what the outcome would have been for you had you been on puberty blockers as a child, which is half the objection to them being prescribed currently, and it's really unwise and unhelpful to children struggling with their sense of self like this to not offer proper, robust, tested care, which the current situation is.

You are mistaken if you think no one here understands or has experienced a disconnect between a sense of self and being comfortable in their body. I'm glad you have found a sense of peace, but Webberley's practices are rightly criticized and there is a reason she operates abroad now.

I forgot to add that yes - many NHS doctors supported Dr Webberley (Mine included) and have a shared care agreement with Gendergp. I obtain my Testosterone through the NHS via a prescription from my NHS GP who receives recommended dosages from Gendergp. Every 3 months my NHS doctor takes my blood works and sends the results to Gendergp who will revise my dosage if necessary. My NHS gp surgery has always been happy with the service gender gp offers as they have much more knowledge and experience than the NHS can currently offer by themselves.

*anyone (not anywhere)