Irish feminists; what the hell is happening over there?

MarDhea no LM situation but the universities are a nightmare of woke misogyny, with bullying of lesbians the norm, so I expect it's only a matter of time. The stuff I've heard from young GC women and what they're up against really worries me.

AnotherAHF Re women's officer roles in political parties, not as far as I'm aware. We have no equivalent of the LM situation here, unless there's a student's union branch somewhere that I haven't heard about.

I agree that this is part of Nationalism Núa. An attempt to show ideological distance with the UK, and the biggest supporters will all have their kids in Gaelscoileanna

Yeah that's bollocks. Labhraim Gaeilge freisin and I'm as GC as they come, and I'll never ever give my vote to SF. Irish language =/= nationalism =/= Wokeus Dei.

That's interesting MarDhea, thanks for sharing. Have you had things happen like we have had in the Labour Party with certain individuals self Iding into women's officer roles? It's hard to work out the bigger picture since the media is so unbalanced, twitter so unbalanced etc.

We are theorising Josepheen, pointing out patterns and potential patterns rather than saying things are set in stone. I don't think what Lumiere said was a sweeping statement, she was just building on the discussion from previous posts.

It's not everyone.

Step away from Twitter and social media bubbles and hardly anyone in Ireland is aware of self id, let alone vociferously supports it.

Numbers of trans people in Ireland appear to be very small, which is probably one reason for the lack of awareness. Even given the ease of self ID, only a few hundred gender recognition certs have been issued in over 3 years, out of a population of 4.8 million. That's tiny; similar to the proportion of gender recognition certs issued in the UK under the medical gatekeeping route. It's a different landscape here.

OkPedro Sorry I didn't mean to offend, I said that Ireland has embraced because self ID is law over there (although I have since read that it's not quite as simple as self ID and there are several conditions attached to it).

I was also going on responses to this thread, where other Irish feminists have said that it is largely accepted there, rather than solely going on the facebook post. That was the reason for my question, to ask whether it's everyone or just the woke youth who have adopted it.

Thanks MarDhea the newstalk piece was more balanced than I expected

It's basically a manifestation of the culture war going on.

Its like the US with the Democrats. If you are against religious bigotry you must be for LGBT rights. If you aren't you are a religious bigot.

There being no nuisance.

It's all about the self serving 'liberal identity' not the issue.

Sorry about duplicate post!

miri There was a piece on Newstalk last week about it, by way of mainstream media. Podcast heree*.

It wasn't too bad - 2 women on to discuss the case: one GC feminist and someone from the Irish Penal Reform Trust who basically said the prison service was in a bind.

I agree the silence from the IT and Indo is notable.

miri There was a piece on Newstalk last week about it, by way of mainstream media. Podcast heree*.

It wasn't too bad - 2 women on to discuss the case: one GC feminist and someone from the Irish Penal Reform Trust who basically said the prison service was in a bind.

I agree the silence from the IT and Indo is notable.

Ireland hasn’t accepted transgenderism wholeheartedly
We weren't asked about self id, it was written in because it wasn’t part of the constitution and didn’t need to go to a vote.. I really wouldn’t base Ireland’s views on self id and transgenderism in this FB page!
Yes there are a few from lgbtq who are jumping on the bandwagon.
Most of the people I speak to think men can’t be women

To me, its far more chilling than an argument on facebook that none of the broadsheets have reported this story. As far as I can find, its only been in the Sunday World (print version) and on the DublinLive website.

Ireland is constantly held up as an example of self ID working perfectly yet it is increasingly looking like there is a code of silence going on in the Irish media. Its not like infamous prisoners aren't repeatedly reported on in general especially when there is extra resources involved in their incarceration.

As they say when England sneezes Ireland catches a cold and I will be surprised if there aren't a lot more transfers in the near future.

I think that Ireland and Scotland adopted transgenderism wholeheartedly to try to distance themselves from their unpopular cousin, England, since England started questioning transgenderism at the same time it voted for Brexit. The same way Canada adopted it to distance themselves from the US and Trump.

ie. 'if you adopt transgenderism that means you're woke and good and kind and not a horrible bigot like those dreadful English and American people.'

I wonder how Minnie and friends reconcile their "pure" Irish feminism with the fact that many of their prominent TRA/pro prostitution influencers are Americans? Or how in their weird Year Zero approach to history they might ponder on why there was no hint of this nonsense til about 2012?

"UK Terfs Out" was of course written on the orders of an American TRA (as proudly boasted about on Twitter) I don't usually like namecalling but how utterly handmaidenish is that? Morto for you.

It is absolutely surreal reading them defending a male sex offender being placed in a women's prison. I feel like I'm watching history reading that, just imagining what the history books will say about this insane time.

You have to be under several layers of brainwashing in order to not actually see that for what it is. And especially in Ireland too, a previously very traditional Catholic society and one where women have suffered for decades particularly in terms of pregnancies outside of marriage. It's hard to get my head around the way they've adopted this nonsense idea so wholeheartedly. To Irish women, is this idea mainly still confined to the youth or have the older generations adopted it too?

Who needs MRAs when you have brainwashed women like that. When they do finally wake up, I hope they apologise to everyone they abused, like they are abusing that woman on that thread. They are so aggressive, and sickeningly seem to be enjoying the power trip of shouting down the one woman who dared to say the truth.

I hope she finds gender critical spaces and doesn't assume everyone is as insane as those women.

Isn’t it just, mockers?