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Apparently JY has agreed to..

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BertrandRussell · 04/08/2019 08:40

....a live debate with Blaire White. What are the odds on it happening, do you think?

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Becles · 06/08/2019 16:31

That was all kinds of batshit

MargueritaBlue · 05/08/2019 23:14

He's barely containing his laughter in making that insulting rape comparison when he very likely knows White's a survivor

I'd forgotten that. You're right he would know.

Ornery · 05/08/2019 23:12

That bloke is proper nuts.
No idea what to make of BW.

PerfectPenquins · 05/08/2019 23:00

Wow did he seriously just buzz a taser? Bloody hell

OneEndedStick · 05/08/2019 22:55

He's barely containing his laughter in making that insulting rape comparison when he very likely knows White's a survivor.

OneEndedStick · 05/08/2019 22:53

He's baiting White like he baits everyone he hates, trying to get them banned. And I don't believe his smirking denial of having had inappropriate contact..

PerfectPenquins · 05/08/2019 22:29

Yaniv just pulled out a menstrual pad and asked 'why would I have this if I didn't menstruate' wow! Because it's a flaming fetish/obsession.

PerfectPenquins · 05/08/2019 22:20

All monetary donations made through YouTube are going to the women Yaniv is suing. I think that's great personally. He's done nothing but squirm and lie so far.

eyeswideshit · 05/08/2019 21:51

10 minutes to go. Hopefully this link works

FormerMediocreMale · 05/08/2019 21:31

Does anyone know Blairs thoughts on using additional 3rd spaces, toilets etc?
Looking the way Blair does id imagine going in the gents would be a bit tricky, but i dont think they should be in the ladies. If they were happy to go in 3rd spaces for trans or unisex and campaigned for that, I would support them.

I am happy with a man presenting this way and calling themself a man still - good on them. A lot of people have cosmetic surgery to look a particular way, a lot wear make up... its not my bag but if it is yours go for it. Women now have a lot more choice in appearance, men should have more choice also.

thirdfiddle · 05/08/2019 21:16

She uses female loos but only after she thought she would pass.
Could make for an interesting talking point. JY thinks JY passes too, right?

thirdfiddle · 05/08/2019 21:11

As I say I hope I've read them wrong. Maybe I'll have another listen later and see if I can fish out the quotes that gave me that impression. Anyway hope they sock it to Yaniv.

NeurotrashWarrior · 05/08/2019 21:01

Ah ok thanks for clarifying that.

MargueritaBlue · 05/08/2019 20:56

She uses female loos but only after she thought she would pass. She doesn't use female changing rooms.

Btw I've name changed as poster AnotherLass is back and we were on the same thread elsewhere.

NeurotrashWarrior · 05/08/2019 20:49

I like her.

I'm still trying to square the no surgery (which I agree with) with using women's bathrooms. I go around in my head a bit there.

Everything else she's said so far that I've seen is bang on, except for some stuff about gender roles being good for kids in the trans kids film - the rest was great; just didn't get that little bit.

MargueritaBlue · 05/08/2019 20:45

Constant preening behaviour comes across to me as vain and shallow

I think I'd rather be vain and shallow than as judgemental as you. Actually if you'd met me when I was Blaire's age you'd probably have said I was vain and shallow too.

I've just been watching one of her videos about detransitioners. She didn't sound remotely vain and shallow.

picklemepopcorn · 05/08/2019 20:41

I didn't get that, to be honest. He was saying that all the surgery was needed to make him look that way because he is Male, and men don't look like that. He didn't say all women should look like that.

thirdfiddle · 05/08/2019 20:30

As long as no one makes me attempt to perform that, I'm not bothered.

I guess, two things:

Constant preening behaviour comes across to me as vain and shallow. If people want to be like that that's their loss (or gain if they make a career out of it) but not something I want to watch. Perhaps I should follow OhTheHills' example and turn the picture off.

But also in this case Blaire seemed to me (and I admit I may not have listened to enough of their views) to be claiming they have something in common with me/womanhood because of their flirty mannerisms, for example in the Benjamin Boyce interview. I find that quite insulting to women.

It is refreshing having someone that isn't totally illogical, out of touch with reality or outright abusive. But I still think they've got it very wrong about what womanhood is, and in that area are on at least as sketchy ground as Yaniv. Maybe even more sketchy, "because I say I am" is at least consistent, "meaningful transition" is undefinable. I hope I'm wrong, honestly, the more rational trans advocates the better.

OhtheHillsareAlive · 05/08/2019 19:45

Well, I've listened to a couple of her pieces and she is very good (if I ignore the mannerisms). I particularly like her interview with Benjamin Boyce - I have a crush on both of them after that.

She's very down to earth and quite reflective, with a good sense of self-knowledge (unlike some TRAs we could mention) - suggests that getting her dysphoria sorted was part of achieving maturity.

So thanks for linking to her - great to see someone with a different POV (she's a conservative Republican ffs) who doesn't make me want to throw things.

picklemepopcorn · 05/08/2019 18:31

Blair is being the kind of person they want to be. That's a flirty, hair swishy kind of person. They have chosen a particular personal presentation , but not claimed to be a woman. That makes it ok, for me. I don't particularly admire women who take the whole mannered, hair swishy route either. As long as no one makes me attempt to perform that, I'm not bothered.

OhtheHillsareAlive · 05/08/2019 17:39

@S1naidSucks Grin Grin Grin Grin

I'm another one who finds the Blair White mannerisms really annoying and actually annoying because of the womanface which comes close to parody - as a PP says, an effeminate man in a previous life. I'm listening to the YouTube upthread, but not watching. Easier and I won't be prejudiced in listening to her.

WhereYouLeftIt · 05/08/2019 17:38

I think I will tune in for this! I have a lot of time for BW since watching their video speaking against the trans'ing of children.

Ornery · 05/08/2019 17:27

Thanks! Will check in a few hours Smile

bettybeans · 05/08/2019 16:13

10pm tonight I think if it's 2pm Pacific time and she posted that yesterday?

merrymouse · 05/08/2019 16:09

I couldn't care less what JY thinks. There will always be people like JY.

I'd much rather hear from the people responsible for writing the legislation that enabled JY to take those women to court.