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Expelled from Girlguiding for putting safeguarding first

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KatieAlcock · 04/08/2019 07:04

Many of you will remember that Helen Watts and another Guider were expelled from Girlguiding last year. This was me - in Sept 2018 I had my membership of Guiding withdrawn for social media breaches (one FB post in a small private group) and refusing to follow Girlguiding policies on transgender members (saying I'd put safeguarding first, ahead of any policies).
I'm a longstanding Guider and Mumsnetter (naice ham, cancel the cheque, show us the diagram) but I'm anonymous for obvious reasons, generally. I'm coming out now to tell you this story.

I appealed and the former Chief Guide who held the appeal concluded that I had not breached social media guidelines (I should jolly well hope not given that 9 people saw my post!) but that I was still refusing to follow GG policy (I gave the same statement - safeguarding comes first).

My story is in the Mail on Sunday today (if this link doesn't work I'll put a clicky link in the next post).

Mail on Sunday link

I am taking GG to court on the grounds that they have discriminated against me because of my gender critical beliefs by investigating my actions when other Guiders who complain about things are not investigated.
I am asking them for a small amount in damages because though I have not lost any income, I have lost reputation and the investigation was stressful, as you can understand.
And I've asked to be reinstated, and for a full apology and statement that I did nothing wrong.

PS... I spent an hour with their professional photographer telling me "don't smile" and they go with the photo from camp with a big grin on my face, taken by my Guide??!

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truthisarevolutionaryact · 17/09/2019 23:03

Thanks for the update. Hope that the legal matters are progressing ? I see you reached your target and now have a stretch target - well done.

KatieAlcock · 17/09/2019 21:40

Today I learned a new legal phrase: Status Quo Ante.
I've written about it on my FB page

www.facebook.com/683130824/posts/10156290545510825?sfns=mo

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KatieAlcock · 09/09/2019 12:56

I seem to be getting more popular!
I've been asked to speak at a couple of events in the coming months, I've had to say no to one (too soon/midweek) but I will be speaking at another one in April, I won't give date or town yet because I don't think the group themselves have announced it.

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twelvecolourfulbirds · 03/09/2019 19:24

Hi Katie,

Bumping this thread and have contributed to the unmentionable. Thank you on behalf of a newbie leader. I would never have got involved if I had realised this clear breach of safeguarding was on the cards. I will resign if it continues and I hope other leaders do too.

Best wishes and good luck.

KatieAlcock · 02/09/2019 22:15

What a lovely lot you are!
I just got an email from a relative forwarded from a childhood friend who could be very helpful technically. It's all so bolstering after rubbish on Twitter and of course back to school madness.

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HavelockVetinari · 02/09/2019 09:40

Can someone DM the link to the thing too please?

Slightaggrandising · 02/09/2019 08:06

Thanks. Done!

Slightaggrandising · 01/09/2019 21:44

The link I mean

Slightaggrandising · 01/09/2019 21:44

Could anyone DM me the thing we must not mention?

KatieAlcock · 01/09/2019 21:20

Feeling very grateful to lots of amazing women (and a few men) tonight.

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testing987654321 · 01/09/2019 13:18

I think if you look up crowd justice, then look for expelled from girl guiding you should be able to find it.

BadgertheBodger · 01/09/2019 13:12

That thing we can’t talk about...where might one find some information please? Fully behind you Katie, and if someone would be so kind as to DM me the link to the thing we can’t talk about or leave me a trail of clues I’d be grateful Smile

KatieAlcock · 01/09/2019 10:06

Anyone got a purple note and a blue note handy?

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LangCleg · 01/09/2019 09:45

9960 is such a lovely number.

I'm glad it improved this morning but I can't think what I might have done to aid that!

Nappyvalley15 · 01/09/2019 00:32

Good luck Kate. This is so important.

KatieAlcock · 31/08/2019 21:22

Getting pretty excited...

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BarbaraStrozzi · 30/08/2019 21:32

I have done the thing we're not allowed to mention. Good luck Katie!

KatieAlcock · 30/08/2019 21:10

@popehilarious LancsResisters has been tweeting about the Woodcraft Folk page and has challenged them to find anywhere anyone has said trans children are more of a risk than other children.
More AT risk, yep, definitely.

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Heratnumber7 · 30/08/2019 18:50

Interestingly, I have been assigned to the female gender on GO, and I am not able to change this.
Who made this decision for me? And what was it based on?

popehilarious · 30/08/2019 18:47

"There is no evidence that trans children, young people or volunteers present any greater safeguarding risk than their cis peers."
We know. We know we know we know we KNOW; this is NOT what we're saying and you either know it and are lying or are NOT LISTENING.

It is the class of biological sex, not the self-imposed label of 'trans' or 'cis', that has the massive, massive differentials in terms of risk. And biological sex CANNOT CHANGE.

KatieAlcock · 30/08/2019 18:11

I've been sent this which very very obliquely refers to the case. They wouldn't want to give me any publicity now would they.
woodcraft.org.uk/news/letter-support-trans-inclusion
PS 9000 is indeed a lovely number.

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KatieAlcock · 29/08/2019 22:18

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KatieAlcock · 29/08/2019 22:10

Please do share lots and lots.
As before, there is a lot of secret or at least silent beavering away.
The fundraiser will roll over when the time is up because we made the initial total but there's still a long way to go.

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pimmsnlemonade · 29/08/2019 22:07

Bumping the thread as the thing-we-are-not-allowed-to-link-to ends soon. Maybe, as well as donating, posters could share this thing in other places where we are allowed to share such things?

AutumnCrow · 18/08/2019 21:06

I love a nice number.

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