Expelled from Girlguiding for putting safeguarding first

Oh are we back to having to have some approved list of circumstances and incidents to justify why girls dont want to get changed with or shower with boys?

Cant they just , you know, want some.privacy. there is already a mixed sex organisation that does the same stuff that trans kids can join.

The only reason they'd join.guides is that they or their parents want to make some kind of point at the expense of their child and/or everyone elses.

Thank you Katie
Gg should be ashamed of themselves. I asked them.Once in an email if intended to gaslight an abused child into believing what happened to her was not what really happened to her.

Funnily enough they didnt answer me and told me that they will no longer engage in the.conversation.

Katie and helen are unsung heroes imo!!

There’s none so blind as refuse to see.

Thank you so much Katie and Helen for what you have done and are doing. My daughter is now 3, and I am hoping that GG sort themselves out so she can become a brownie when the time comes. Hopefully the sunlight of a court case may be the catalyst to do just that.

If they continue on their current trajectory she will never join, as I can't knowingly put my child into an environment where the organisation has shown a complete disregard for her safety. It breaks my heart as I adored brownies and my mum was brown owl (I would love to volunteer myself), however GG right now has a massive neon flashing light over them that screeches "we are dodgy and don't give a shit".

Safeguarding against.... what?

Sexual activity between minors that could possibly lead to underage pregnancy.

Male people, with male anatomy, performing intimate care for girl minors.

All parents in the UK have a legal responsibility to safeguard their children. Not a good look, being this ignorant about it.

Yeah and I still do not understand the threat. Someone please explicitly explain the danger of a trans child ?

Safeguarding against.... what? I don’t understand what the threat is?

You don't?

Who [as a class] is usually a threat to women and girls?

Read the article.

Safeguarding against.... what?

I don’t understand what the threat is?

Thanks Katie. I'm sorry GGUK have put you through this. But thank you for standing up for girls.

When I became aware of this policy I wrote several times to GGUK, raising concerns about safeguarding, the resulting exclusion of some girls, violation of the rights of children - all hanging off this policy of theirs. They didn't care.

Is there a link somewhere?

Brilliant, thanks for doing this. I've just donated. (Just putting this on record for when all the hysteria starts about it being bankrolled by the Christan right .)

Slightly off topic, but Sanchez Manning writes well and gets it. She does not seem to get the same credit as those on more heavy weight papers, so I was pleased to see she won the award for "Specialist Journalist of the Year" from the Society of Editors earlier this year.

She has done a lot to bring this subject to a broader readership, so good she has been recognised.

I’ve noticed this too. I’m always mentally adding “and Sanchez Manning” when journalists who have written on this issue are listed on MN. Thank you Sanchez.

This case is so important.

People who care for children must be able to put safeguarding first.

Slightly off topic, but Sanchez Manning writes well and gets it. She does not seem to get the same credit as those on more heavy weight papers, so I was pleased to see she won the award for "Specialist Journalist of the Year" from the Society of Editors earlier this year.

She has done a lot to bring this subject to a broader readership, so good she has been recognised.

And thank you Katie. It sounds daunting. Where will the case be heard? Happy to support in practical ways? (Mentally preparing my banner.)

Thank you Katie.

As a Queen's Guide who experienced CSA, the Brownies and Guides offered a safe haven from males where I could explore the world in relative safety, certainly more safety than I experienced outside Guiding. I'm not going to be the only little girl in that position in GGs, the difference between then and now is that, for a couple of hours each week and for a blissful few days each year, I was entirely free of males, where I might not be now. That loss causes me great sadness.

What you're doing is more important than you will ever know.

Just to remind everyone not to mention any sort of funding or donations if they were to be involved with this. The whole thread will get pulled if you keep mentioning that!

Please don’t violate the MN guidelines re crowdfunding

Thanks for your stance on this, Katie. A huge concern for me with a vulnerable teen at Guides. It beggars belief that all the sensible information about safeguarding is thrown out of the window, which protects no one.

A male to female leader would help my child toilet, change etc and I would not know?

Also, when you say 'male to female' you actually mean 'man'.

A male to female leader would help my child toilet, change etc and I would not know?

Absolutely that.

No need for a doctor's certificate, no need to have your penis removed, no real need to wear a dress. Someone can just "identify" as a woman, and Bob's your uncle (or aunt) - you're in!

Adult members (women) are also at risk here, not only the girls. I have no desire to share a shower with only a flimsy plastic curtain between me and the next cubicle, with a be-penised person.

So in it's current state, my daughter can go to rainbows, brownies, guides, one of the other children or leaders could be a biological male but identifying as a female and I would not be informed?

Well yes, that's the point of Helen and Katie's disposal from Girl Guides, that GG is not only not a same sex organisation any more but the leaders could be men with a fetish/mental health issues/pretending to be trans/a paedophile and nobody is allowed to talk about it.

And yet people hide the feminist topic because we are such meanies to these men.

I mean, that would be amazing, good. Not as in "baffling"!

Thanks for replying Katie! Amazing if GC beliefs can be "protected". Good luck!

Space yes a lot of people wonder why so many women get caught up in what seems to be a slightly "fringe" issue re trans rights - this is why! It's already affecting every female organisation I can think of.