"An open wound...": horrific detransitioner story

the number of young people that suffer complex ptsd in this country is a scandle and we are doing nothing about it, I see dispear that somewhere like mumsnet is not doing more to push for greater children's mental health but instead is fighting to close the GRC for young people.

I would always say better a live child than a dead one. and that does mean that some young people are trans not becuse they suffered trauma or have asd but becuse they are trans not every young person needs transition and we Need to support that but they may do. mermaids works with mostly the ones that do need to and is less helpful with the ones who don't. I think there needs to be more support for the ones who don't know who's families are not supporting or that will work it out later. I like susie she gets painted very badly on here by people who have never meet her or talked to her or still think her child is a little girl.

the webbleys I find are profeting off us as so many people have done in the past there should be no need for them.

Bespin, where are you on the Mermaids 'better a trans child than a dead child' approach?

I personally find the idea of setting a pre-pubertal child off on blockers then cross sex hormones, horrific. Surgery is also risky but only one element. Without a brain that has gone through puberty how can someone ever give informed consent.

I also worry about the lack of gatekeeping, and the apparent high levels of co-morbidities such as autism or abuse.

We must protect the young.

Susie Green will always be that woman who laughed about the size of her child's undeveloped penis. She should not be leading on education in schools, nor on support for families. And as for the Webberleys, they should not be near patients of any kind.

CantspellWontspell

a number of trans woman opt for this option due to a number do of reasons. medical health, recovery time, sexual partners. maintenance in future and risks.

PurpleCrowbar

I think that surgery in this country happens usually well after 18 with the current waiting lists, anyone who wants to rush in under at least a year I always advise that they slow down or wait a little for there heads to catch up with them. young people need support and that is better in real life not on the Internet. Well run groups do help young trans people they do not indoctrinate them but hopefully give them the realities to help them find the right path for themselves.

I’m sure I read that some surgeons do offer a “vulva” only service whereby they just create the external appearance of female sex organs but don’t try to create a neo-vagina.

For some, I suspect the act of being penetrated would be incredibly affirming and quite possibly a reasonable trade off for actual sexual pleasure, but that is conjecture (coupled with bits and pieces I’ve read here and there).

reducing lgbt education in schools and having massive waiting lists does not help that

Stonewall, Gendered Intelligence and Mermaids don’t want children to be educated, they want them to be indoctrinated. It’s considered “transphobic” to show realistic pictures of surgery. Twee language like “top surgery” (bilateral mastectomy) and “bottom surgery” (mutilation of genitalia) is used. As pointed out in Biggs’ report, the word “orgasm” is never used in medical consent, let alone so called “education” on LGBT issues. Detransitioners are silenced, their voices aren’t heard in school “education” because it doesn’t fit the narrative. And just how shortening the waiting times so people can be mutilated quicker would solve the problem.

But I think this sort of evidence is a bloody good reason for delaying any sort of treatment that involves surgery on a young person, Bespin.

What do you think?

that is true they do need support and protection to understand this and look at there options and understand the risks. reducing lgbt education in schools and having massive waiting lists does not help that. I dislike people glamourising being trans and down playing the risks around treatment. just like when people do it with breast implants. these decisions are life changing and should never be taken lightly.

Bespin, thank you. Things clearly can and do go wrong. There are far more risks, whether hormones or surgery, than the cheerful trans influencers on You Tube admit to. Or perhaps more than narratives used by the Webberleys or Mermaids.

Which is why informed consent is crucial. And why we need proper debate and research on what that informed consent entails. Young trans people need to be protected every bit as much as straight or gay youth. Vulnerable young people even more.

Some late night reading suggesting solutions when surgery goes wrong. Worth remembering that the initial surgery was on a healthy person.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7032557/amp/Trans-woman-35-world-vagina-FISH-SKIN.html

the original post is so so sad, it is terrible when this happens and it does happen far to frequently I'm afraid I have met and helped people who have had simular and it is so so hard to deal with, our community often helps people when this happens and this responce is a comman reaction to think why. this used to happen a lot more and things have come a long way but this is not something without risk no one should ever say it is.

I am guessing the big shock is that it doesn't really work that well, may be actually painful, and the loss of libido

But it shouldn’t be a big shock. They’re taking a functioning organ that is responsive to sexual stimulation and surgically altering it. Of course it’s not going to work as well. This comes down to a question of consent. Are victims patients told this? What stats are the given?

And regardless of how they try and make it sexually responsive, with retention of the glans etc, it still doesn’t explain why the need for a receptive hole that may or may not have some form of sexual response.

I think they take the glans of the penis and form it into a nub where the clitoris would be. Clearly, without testes the orgasm isn't going to be as strong as it would have been pre surgery, and as we know the clitoris is a much bigger organ than the protruding part, so whatever orgasmic feeling a man will be left with will be NOTHING like a woman's. But he could retain some arousal.
This wouldn't be from penetration however. It's pretty unlikely that the inverted penile skin would have any sexual sensation from being rubbed, since it's no longer attached to the rest of the penis.

I was under the impression that in some cases a neovagina retains enough sensation that it can be sexually arousing. If it's lined with the inverted penis, I guess that could make sense.

In any case though, I think sex can be a little more complex than just what feels good where. There are women who lose sensation in their vagina but still enjoy having sex. I am guessing the big shock is that it doesn't really work that well, may be actually painful, and the loss of libido.

Fieldofgreycorn

Cabbage you make assumptions that post op TW feel nothing from penetration

So explain this to me then. In the article in the OP, the post op TW writes this:

I have almost no sex drive. I lost a lot of feeling in my genitalia after the procedure

Explain to me, in medical terms, how this post op TW, or any other for that matter, receives pleasure from being penetrated in their skin hole. Not feeling, I want to know how they get pleasure from it.

)And this only applies to those who’ve been through puberty. Those who were no puberty blockers have no hope).

Not RTFT; just heartbreaking.

User148 etc, I don't understand your message. 'what if it was you' - well, exactly! One of the feelings reading this post is the horror of going through what this person has gone through. I've tried to imagine the feelings that led them to this point and it's hard to do that. Most of us are posting from a sense of 'what if it were us' or 'what if it were my son or my brother' or any other male person we know. What do you mean?

As for 'it's not about people's morals' - well I'm definitely questioning not just the morals but the professional judgment of the doctors involved; many of us are questioning the morals of the older person who appears to have groomed this adolescent boy away from his family and at some point to have abandoned him. Don't you have any thoughts about the morals of that person?

Cabbage you make assumptions that post op TW feel nothing from penetration.

There's a subreddit dedicated to detransitioners and their stories. Apparently persuading one's partner to transition, have SRS and then dumping them is becoming a recognised form of partner abuse. I wonder if that was the underlying motive here.

Yes I had that thought too. I have seen that subreddit. It makes the most sense as a motive that I can see.

It isn't clear what happened with his parents after he ran away, but it is clear that he was a vulnerable young person. Society should be looking after the vulnerable, not doing this. It shouldn't be allowed to happen.

To me it's partly a result of the consumerist, detached from nature, kind of world that we live in. And it's all centred on the individual, even to their own detriment.

I agree with the others who take exception to what you wrote there, Wrath.

Actually NotBad you miss a lot. Gay women often do enjoy penetration together in all sorts of ways and without a penis involved.

Yes, but lesbians have an actual vagina, from which they can get pleasurable sensations. NotBad is making the point that a numb cavity made from inverted skin will not give sexual pleasure to its owner. And what kind of person would enjoying penetrating such an orifice? Only someone with a fetish.

Actually NotBad you miss a lot. Gay women often do enjoy penetration together in all sorts of ways and without a penis involved.

Jazz Jennings who was told they popped open the poppers on their babygro at age 2 to turn it into a dress because the 2 year old Jazz knew instinctively that girls wore dresses
And the price Jazz has paid is that they will never develop and adult brain and never have a sexual feeling in their life

Holy crap! People! Lots of assumptions here!
It’s not about others morals, but the very sad situation this person has been left to live in.
What if it was you?

wrath i think thats a bit harsh.

This person was groomed, when the groomer who had funded them died they were left in a pretty shitty situation. Plenty of women in shitty situations resort to prostitution also.