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Telegraph column - not even attempting to hide AGP

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BretonDinosaur · 02/08/2019 19:08

It’s behind a paywall, will post screenshots in next post

David Thomas is a 60 year old man, who according to his Telegraph column is still living as a man whatever that means. He is transitioning and he is writing about it in his weekly column. In the past he gave us Not Guilty: The Case in Defence of Men which is described as a rebuttal of feminist charges against men. So I think he’s established his misogyny credentials, which raises the question of why he wants to transition to emulate womanhood?

It’s so clear from the above article that it’s sexual arousal. He talks about his growing breasts in a clearly lascivious way. It’s not even gently disguised or denied. The AGP is front and centre in the article.

Yet we’re still not allowed to discuss it. We’re not allowed to point out that many men get off on the idea of being seen as a woman. They talk about it openly but the activists who seek to remove women’s rights shout us down as bigots for daring to raise it.

Those who are still championing the be nice/what harm can it do still seem to deny that it’s a driver. How? When it is this blatant how can it not be openly discussed and the risks/behaviours openly managed or challenged.

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Fieldofgreycorn · 04/08/2019 20:16

It makes complete sense to me. The man is there to make the transwoman feel a certain way.

Some will be genuinely bisexual though. Because some people are.

NottonightJosepheen · 04/08/2019 19:29

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Datun · 04/08/2019 18:43

Ugh.

KatvonHostileExtremist · 04/08/2019 18:40

Aww and nasty t*rfs make them feel bad for wanting hot tits. Absolutely not a fetish. Nope.

Telegraph column - not even attempting to hide AGP
KatvonHostileExtremist · 04/08/2019 18:37

Boobs are very much part of the obsession for some. This is a group of TRAs chatting about it.

Telegraph column - not even attempting to hide AGP
Telegraph column - not even attempting to hide AGP
Telegraph column - not even attempting to hide AGP
SingingLily · 04/08/2019 08:08

I keep thinking of Dustin Hoffman's "epiphany" when he watched the footage after making Tootsie. He was "shocked" that his character wasn't more attractive and demanded that the stylists should make him "beautiful". Much shuffling of feet before they admitted "This is as good as it gets". He burst into tears as the realisation dawned.

Pesky reality intruding again.

NottonightJosepheen · 03/08/2019 22:03

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TimeLady · 03/08/2019 21:07

Why would a heterosexual man date someone who is born male, when they're only interested in people born female?

Google gynandromorphophilia and have a look at the Rod Fleming website.

Datun · 03/08/2019 19:15

He said in his column that he’ll have lots of suitors because he knows both the offside and lbw rules

I don't really get the TW dating scene. I know there are men who they call 'tr**ny' chasers (not being uncivil HQ, it's a direct quote).

Who are presumably bisexual, but possibly in denial.

But an actual heterosexual, your tall, dark, handsome stranger who seems to be a bit of a fantasy, won't be happening.

I'm reminded of that article when the transwoman was really disgruntled because no matter what they did, they couldn't get a heterosexual interested. Despite the pigeon-toed, gawky schoolgirl look so beloved of people like Shon fay.

And I'm not being funny, I genuinely don't get it.

Why would a heterosexual man date someone who is born male, when they're only interested in people born female? Who outnumber transwomen millions to one.

Jaxhog · 03/08/2019 18:57

I'm trying to imagine the T enabling a woman undergoing transition to a man to refer to her new penis in such terms. I doubt very much they would print it.

Jaxhog · 03/08/2019 18:54

I am surprised the T has this column too. The words and terms he uses are at best creepy, and at worst really grotesque.

XXcstatic · 03/08/2019 18:51

I too am dismayed that the Telegraph is running this, and the language it is using. "Becoming a woman" is gaslighting bullshit as a man cannot "become" a woman. He is very clearly an AGP who gets off on the idea of him as his own ideal woman

I am sure his column is peak-transing Telegraph readers by the hundred. People are not stupid - you don't need to have heard of AGP to pick up on the creepiness of a 60 year old man being turned on by growing teenage girl breasts.

TheTitOfTheIceberg · 03/08/2019 18:44

He said in his column that he’ll have lots of suitors because he knows both the offside and lbw rules

So do I, but I never met a man who wanted to discuss them once we were down to our pants.

BretonDinosaur · 03/08/2019 17:39

I’m sure that heterosexual males will be queuing up to date DT when he has finished transitioning. I mean, why wouldn’t they?

He said in his column that he’ll have lots of suitors because he knows both the offside and lbw rules Hmm

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nicenewdusters · 03/08/2019 17:33

To reference India Willoughby again in the BB house. They were enraged and confused that the hetereosexul men in the house showed no interest in them as a potential partner.

Lordamighty · 03/08/2019 17:27

^be

Lordamighty · 03/08/2019 17:26

I’m sure that heterosexual males will be queuing up to date DT when he has finished transitioning. I mean, why wouldn’t they?
The poor lamb is going to so disappointed.

Datun · 03/08/2019 13:45

It makes complete sense to me. The man is there to make the transwoman feel a certain way.

I don't think, as a concept, it particularly bothers me, other than how one labels it. Heterosexual sex, it isn't.

LangCleg · 03/08/2019 13:36

I’m not sure the attractiveness of the man who is there to have sex with them as a woman matters that much to AGP. The sex is all about them and the validation of their womanhood.

Anne Lawrence calls this pseudobisexuality. It's a tough concept to get your head around but once it clicks, it makes complete sense.

CatalogueUniverse · 03/08/2019 13:23

I’m not sure the attractiveness of the man who is there to have sex with them as a woman matters that much to AGP. The sex is all about them and the validation of their womanhood.

Fieldofgreycorn · 03/08/2019 13:15

I don’t know about this one TimeLady.

Fieldofgreycorn · 03/08/2019 13:14

HSTS? Do you mean homosexual transexual? To simplify, then... Well, presumably, they would find an attractive naked solo man attractive, then. In and of himself.

Yes.

TimeLady · 03/08/2019 13:00

Ah, so he's said he wants to shag a straight man? And presumably he's envisaging being seduced by a hot-bodied toy boy, not a desperate geriatric with arthritic knees and a dodgy ticker?

ThePurported · 03/08/2019 12:55

Oh yeah, and teaching girls that if they happen to encounter a bloke in the women's, they should just assume that the bloke is more frightened of them than they of him? No. Just no.