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Telegraph column - not even attempting to hide AGP

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BretonDinosaur · 02/08/2019 19:08

It’s behind a paywall, will post screenshots in next post

David Thomas is a 60 year old man, who according to his Telegraph column is still living as a man whatever that means. He is transitioning and he is writing about it in his weekly column. In the past he gave us Not Guilty: The Case in Defence of Men which is described as a rebuttal of feminist charges against men. So I think he’s established his misogyny credentials, which raises the question of why he wants to transition to emulate womanhood?

It’s so clear from the above article that it’s sexual arousal. He talks about his growing breasts in a clearly lascivious way. It’s not even gently disguised or denied. The AGP is front and centre in the article.

Yet we’re still not allowed to discuss it. We’re not allowed to point out that many men get off on the idea of being seen as a woman. They talk about it openly but the activists who seek to remove women’s rights shout us down as bigots for daring to raise it.

Those who are still championing the be nice/what harm can it do still seem to deny that it’s a driver. How? When it is this blatant how can it not be openly discussed and the risks/behaviours openly managed or challenged.

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Bespin · 02/08/2019 22:44

BretonDinosaur

I don't by all means carry on.

Cascade220 · 02/08/2019 22:42

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Bespin · 02/08/2019 22:42

also if you start to correct me and attack me for spelling it really means you don't want a conversation but just to be petty. and finally sometimes it's just funny watching gramma police get annoyed. had it all my life being dyslexic.

littlbrowndog · 02/08/2019 22:42

I had a suck cream for sudo cream. Now my auto has learnt suck cream ffs. 😢😂

littlbrowndog · 02/08/2019 22:40

Maybe just bespin is tired Spartacus I get like that when am tired. I just let auto take over then m6 spelling goes mad

Bespin · 02/08/2019 22:40

SpartacusAutisticus

the honest answer is that I do this on a small smart phone. I don't have time or am actually doing something importent like my job. That I don't want to actually spend a lot of time on here cos it's negative when people attack you constently. But I want to try and provide balance to some topics I care about.

WineIsMyCarb · 02/08/2019 22:38

Not sure why it is deemed as being chargeable content @BretonDinosaur, Although I read the telegraph online a few times per week (until recently, I subscribed for a couple of months) and I've noticed more going behind the paywall so maybe his column isn't special in this regard.

Sorry I missed your satirical Shock face - at least I got the chance to give an earnest and well meaning plea to read widely and consider opinions from moderate political spectrum!! [Carefully places pince-nez glasses in special leather sleeve] Smile

BretonDinosaur · 02/08/2019 22:38

I wonder, Bespin, why you want to change the discussion here from the clear AGP shown by David to his unlikeable personality. Why would this be about him as a human? As I’m sure you know there can be dickheads in all populations.

This is about his clear sexual gratification from the growth of his breasts. And the fact that this is something we’re called all sorts of names for highlighting. Trying to distract us by saying David is a bit of an arsehole, sorry a*hole, makes it seem like you have an agenda.

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Bespin · 02/08/2019 22:37

also I think dick is about as hard core as I get really. also sometimes I use words that I know you will all like lol.

Outanabout · 02/08/2019 22:35

If I were a daughter of his I'd be afraid to think back to my teenage years, they'd be ruined in hindsight.

Bespin · 02/08/2019 22:34

I think his columns are badly written, and they are paying him for that also it's been done over and over about people's transitions many times we are more than our transition. he can talk about what he wants and I will come on here and say its rubbish like everyone else. I don't like all trans people not because they are trans but because I think they are self centred dicks.

pombear · 02/08/2019 22:32

We crossed posts. Thanks for that clarification.

So your view of him is what? Is he a not-true trans? Are his editor friends forcing him to grow jiggling breasts?

What I love about this board is it's a conversation, and I'd love to know your views about the whys regarding this, rather than you just calling him a dick (despite your aim not to swear too much!)

pombear · 02/08/2019 22:29

Waves at bespin

Hi - still trying to learn here. As per my previous questions.

Who decides he's 'milking it'?

What defines 'milking it'?

When is it OK for him to talk about his transition?

Should we ignore him, and focus on the 'right' transwomen's stories?

Bespin · 02/08/2019 22:29

pombear

make of him what you will, I have my own view of him and what he is trying to do and why they are promoting him. He appears to have a lot of friends who edit newspapers.

Bespin · 02/08/2019 22:27

I genuinely try not to swear so much even though I'm a adult I think it's nicer if we don't.

pombear · 02/08/2019 22:26

Bespin out of interest, was it David's reference to prepubescent girls, jiggling breasts when he runs, and sensory shocks in the showers raising the red flags to you that he might be 'milking' it?

When would you be 'ready' for him to start talking about his transition in the media? I don't think he's particularly famous right now.

Should we pay him no attention? Nothing to see here? He doesn't have a clue what he's talking about, despite being on hormones and going through transition as per his own description, becuase, erm, 'climate change'?

Bespin · 02/08/2019 22:26

SpartacusAutisticus

Thank you so much. I would try to teach you not to single people out and make fun of them but you appear beyond that.

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pombear · 02/08/2019 22:22

Spartacus - had to read that twice, as wasn't sure whether you were correcting

David Thomas is a dick to
David Thomas has a dick*

or were just carrying on your has/as campaign!

Think it applies to both scenarios!

Bespin · 02/08/2019 22:22

I'm never keen of celebrities who transition thinking that they know all the answers straight away and the media giving them a platform because there famous not because they have any idea what the f**k they are talking about then everyone thinks that how it must be because someone famous told us it was. it does nothing but harm for a number of things. see climate change.

BretonDinosaur · 02/08/2019 22:21

Sorry posted too soon. All his columns seem to scream AGP. It’s a worrying thing to be celebrated.

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BretonDinosaur · 02/08/2019 22:19

David Thomas is a dick no one likes him

Wow that’s quite the statement. Did you ask everyone, Bespin or are you speaking with your usual authority?

Regardless of whether anyone likes him or not he is trans because he says he is. That’s how we’re told it works. And nobody - nobody - can tell someone’s gender from looking so we have to accept what people call themselves.

I’ve read through a couple of his back columns - one of which is who will have sex with him as a transgender person - in which he explains sexuality as gender attraction Biscuit

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