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Challenor showing off their 'new' birth certificate

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MrsSnippyPants · 01/08/2019 16:57

I will never accept this 'legal fiction, it is a travesty.

Challenor showing off their 'new' birth certificate
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OhHolyJesus · 02/08/2019 07:39

The full list of members on the Stonewall advisory group are not listed so I imagine AC is still on there.

AC did commit a cyber crime against the Bullring shopping centre some time ago if I'm not mistaken. Could be wrong, happy to be corrected.

TemporaryPermanent · 02/08/2019 07:35

Just to say I'm not aware of any crimes committed by A.C.. They appear to have appalling judgement on all sorts of things, doubtless held back by what seems likely to have been the kind of upbringing you have nightmares about, but I don't think this person is a criminal.

Altering a birth cert like this is not funny. A.C. is doing the world a favour by showing the reality of the law. Something about seeing this brings it home.

TimeLady · 02/08/2019 07:29

No sign of AC on the current Stonewall Trans advisory group webpage

www.stonewall.org.uk/trans-advisory-group

Compared to a previous one, (archived in 2016?)

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20160408152139/www.stonewall.org.uk/trans-advisory-group" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20160408152139/www.stonewall.org.uk/trans-advisory-group

FluffyCloudsInTheSky · 02/08/2019 07:17

I didn't know these certificates would backdate!

WhoIsTheFairestOfThemAll · 02/08/2019 05:10

Is it definitely genuine?

DarkAtEndOfTunnel · 02/08/2019 04:11

So. 2019 in Britain. And here is proof that biology is no longer as important as man's feelings, women's reality is not as important as a feeling in a man's head: and that history can be re-written whenever a man feels like it. Suddenly we're in a situation where history and reality is whatever certain favoured social groups say it is.

Goodbye democracy it was nice knowing you. Hail our nepotistic authoritarian overlords.

Alislia17 · 02/08/2019 03:12

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OccasionalKite · 02/08/2019 01:53

Seriously, what is the point of a man celebrating that his birth certificate now says female?

Angryresister · 02/08/2019 00:54

So now their crimes will be officially recorded as having been committed by a woman. It will be interesting to see what the DBS office has to say about the ease with which these men will get away with everything .

SirVixofVixHall · 01/08/2019 23:30

Yes, the deceit of it. When someone wants to lie, to present themselves as something other than what they are, we have to ponder why that might be ?
It is an absolute disgrace that this was ever allowed, the potential abuses are glaringly obvious.

EndLegalFiction · 01/08/2019 23:08

In any other circumstance the words fraud and dishonesty would apply. Considered offensive. Illegal. Criminal.

All of this balderdash is deceitful.

LangCleg · 01/08/2019 22:45

you need to prove to a panel you have been living for 2 years in your new gender....whatever that means

It's just your gas bill. Really. Don't believe me?

Proof you’ve lived in your acquired gender

This proof must cover the required time that you’ve lived in your acquired gender. It could include copies of your:

passport
driving licence
payslips or benefit documents
utility bills or other documents of an official nature

All documents should be in your acquired name and gender. The earliest document must be dated before the beginning of the required time.

www.gov.uk/apply-gender-recognition-certificate/documents-you-must-provide

GiggleMcDimples · 01/08/2019 22:19

Wtf!?!?
BUT THE BIOLOGICAL SEX IS MALE!!!!
YES I'M SHOUTING!!! AngryAngryAngry

ZebrasAreBras · 01/08/2019 22:18

Thanks for your loss, Gretchen

OrchidInTheSun · 01/08/2019 22:18

God that really does add insult to injury Gretchen. I'm so sorry for your loss Thanks

AndNoneForGretchenWieners · 01/08/2019 22:08

What has pissed me off is that I have had to get permission from the General Registrar of England to reregister my son as a child of our marriage at the same register office that Aimee Challenor went to, because my DH died before he could sign the forms, yet Aimee Challenor can receive a fictitious one. It's taken nearly 3 months for them to sort us out.

ZebrasAreBras · 01/08/2019 22:07

Never forget how the GRA legislation was brought in on the quiet - remember the TRAs Stephen Whittle et al "and we managed to get through without anyone throwing a fit in the press."

Which rather suggests that they knew the press would throw a fit and/or that there was something to 'throw a fit' about. And we can see why now.

Ameanstreakamilewide · 01/08/2019 21:57

I can't quite believe how much this has done my head in, tonight. 😡

Can open...worms, everywhere.

HermioneWeasley · 01/08/2019 21:42

It’s fucking outrageous. There can’t be any level of effective gatekeeping if the child of a paedophile who supported and enabled that paedophile and is now engaged to a paedophile can get a GRC.

Absolutely fucking batshit

Cascade220 · 01/08/2019 21:34

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ScrimshawTheSecond · 01/08/2019 21:21

Oh, the process for changing the police's database is 'unclear', that's reassuring.

www.pfc.org.uk/crbchecks.html

OhHolyJesus · 01/08/2019 21:20

Little cabbage thank you for doing that x

ScrimshawTheSecond · 01/08/2019 21:20

Info here on how people with convictions who then obtain a grc have asked for their records to be changed so crimes are not 'gender specific'.

The example is to do with prostitution, but the only other crime that really comes to mind that would 'disclose gender' is 'rape', which of course requires a penis.

www.unlock.org.uk/call-for-evidence-dbs-checks-transgender/

littlecabbage · 01/08/2019 21:10

Right, enough of this speculation! I've emailed the DBS service to ask about this situation. Will report back when I get a reply.

RubberTreePlant · 01/08/2019 20:57

I don’t think it’s right that this document is falsified. If the GRA is to stand, I think a GRC should be a separate document which can be shown alongside your birth certificate, stating the date on which you officially gained the right to be seen as the opposite sex for most purposes.

Exactly. The same as a deed poll. Perfectly obvious solution.