To those who visit the board and believe in gender identity, what is your solution?

if a child were adamant for years that they were female when they weren't, or male when they weren't, why should we say no, you're not?

I think it depends on if they've experienced trauma as to how heavy you consider the opposite sex claim. I don't think any child ever should be allowed to transition. I think it is confusing before your brain is fully developed to attempt to take on a range of lifelong consequences some of which are irreversible. I'm not saying to not listen to children or not to give their claims weight or to not believe them when they tell you something about how they see themselves.

Weaponization of your sex against you really distorts perception of self.

Thus, if a child makes such a claim you have to dig deep and seek psychological assessment by someone that doesn't toe the gender line to ensure any co-morbidities are dealt with prior to any consideration of transition.

Decomposing how one chooses to live and how others treat you are very different things. I dont choose to be discriminated because of my biology doesnt mean it doesnt happen.

The evidence seems to suggest blockers cause more harm than good. Also that natural puberty leads to the majority desisting. So on that basis is there much harm in then waiting a bit longer until the person is an adult?

I dont think that any minor should have cosmetic surgery, so would no more approve of a natal girl having breast implants than i would a TG.

Living as a man is exactly the same as living as a woman, except men can pee standing up, and women can get pregnant. So how can a man live as a woman or vice versa?

But many posters on this board say that women have a much harder time than men. That the experience of women is completely different to the experience of men, yet here you are saying the only difference is how we per of that we can get pregnant. So, in your view, there are absolutely no other differences between men and women?

I dont have a problem with anyone living how they choose, as long as it doesnt impact on others - impact on others thats where the problem lies
OK, can hear that

Im all for men expressing their "femininity" or wearing/doing stereotypically female things and vice versa
Same, agree

Society esp men need to be more accepting of this. I say men esp as they are the ones most likely to bully or attack both TW and TM
Same, agree
I dont see that as an extreme view. I dont see not wanting kids to be given powerful drugs off label extreme. I dont think not wanting children to be told their bodies are wrong is extreme
Same, agree, but I differ slightly in that if a child were adamant for years that they were female when they weren't, or male when they weren't, why should we say no, you're not?
That's NOT SAYING I agree with blockers or anything when primary age/early secondary age or whatever as I don't.
If they've been adamant all through early childhood and then through teens as well is it still just a whim?

roses I was referring to your 23:09 post, but its not the only time you seem to have picked up on half of somethong and missed the point entirely.

I dont have a problem with anyone living how they choose, as long as it doesnt impact on others - impact on others thats where the problem lies.

Im all for men expressing their "femininity" or wearing/doing stereotypically female things and vice versa. Society esp men need to be more accepting of this. I say men esp as they are the ones most likely to bully or attack both TW and TM. I dont see that as an extreme view. I dont see not wanting kids to be given powerful drugs off label extreme. I dont think not wanting children to be told their bodies are wrong is extreme.

Sorry cross post was to former

Are you referring to the one at 23.16 where I quoted your 23.08 one?

RosesAndRaindrops

Mewk on the other hand might actually have something of value to say beyond feelings so I am interested in what he has to say

Beyond feelings - says a lot
Why do I repeatedly keep being asked to try and define feelings then if you don't want to hear anything beyond feelings.

For goodness sake, I didn't ask about feelings I didn't ask anything actually. You are again directing something at me with my own words to imply that what I am saying is invalid or somehow insulting. Do you think before you type? (genuine question)

And the point of this thread has nothing to do with feelings it's about how to apply language for legislature in order to properly govern spaces for women and TW. The thread is supposed to be about solutions to the divide and dilemma between biological women that want to retain their spaces and TW that want to be included in women's spaces.

roses your comments often really are obtuse

OK.
Which one?
(aware you probably mean you don't understand any of them, but not much I can do about that if so)

roses your comments often really are obtuse

However compare to GC women being arrested,
There's plenty of more moderate GC views out there. Which are all fine.
If you take the extreme stance (NOT all! lots are moderate) why is there a problem?
I mean, it's not transphobic to state biology is real. It is. Why does it stop someone living as a man or woman though?
I suppose it all boils down to if you have a sense of something else or not too.
If you don't, then you can't compute anything else.
Doesn't mean it's not there though.
If you take the extreme though I know it's hard as it's not always easy to see you are but there you go

I'm not primarily seeking to convert other people to my viewpoint. But certainly differing viewpoints exist and they are valid. I don't see the need to trash the person behind the viewpoints, which I am continually disappointed to see on the board.

If you dont want to discuss and engage why come on here? I cant see that you are helping lurkers be less GC.

Maybe if articulate posters like augustian, i think it was, engaged it would help. If mewk can engage further with more information it would be good.

Roses, she was replying to my post where I said using a chainsaw didn't make you a man.

Exactly, and i can use a chainsaw!

YES! Meaning you can use a chainsaw means you can pick up your man card!
(Or something)
As who's reverted to stereotypes here, I don't think I have)

I appreciate that some comments are unpleasant and unhelpful. However compare to GC women being arrested, losing jobs, taking huge amounts of verbal abuse and pile ons. FWR is one of the gew places we can express our opinions. However most of us do want to engage and debate, we want to find solutions.

That abuse is the reason we don't debate this issue with you, not because we don't have answers or can't explain ourselves.

I haven't been abusive to anyone. I have politely asked questions. But you still don't have any answers.

Like I've said, I don't see the purpose in discussing it.

That abuse is the reason we don't debate this issue with you, not because we don't have answers or can't explain ourselves.
True that

Can you explain your perspective then please petrol.

It's being brought up because it was a really clear example of the type of abuse that women face on the FWR board regularly in relation to this particular matter. That abuse is the reason we don't debate this issue with you, not because we don't have answers or can't explain ourselves.

DecomposingComposers

It's possible that some of the 'transgender' prisoners are taking the piss, though, isn't it?

And I should have said (in the post about prisoners):

So male transgender prisoners commit sexual offences at a much higher rate than other male prisoners.

I can't agree from my perspective that the differences are that simplistic.