To those who visit the board and believe in gender identity, what is your solution?

NotBadConsidering

I don't understand what drives people to behave like the example you give. I don't understand why many people do what they do, but is it necessary for me to understand? As long as what they do isn't breaking the law I don't really have a view on what anyone else chooses to do.

Stop asking hard questions!! It’s too cruel.feelings, you know. Feelings. They rule everything now, apparently.

Why is it that you use a very tiny minority a being representative of the group?

Where did I say Stefoknee represented the group? It’s an example. I want to know how, as OldCrone questioned, it is not considered a delusion that you’re of the opposite sex, but it is if you think of yourself as a 6 year old. What’s the difference? I merely used Stefoknee to point out that this is not a hypothetical scenario that doesn’t exist in real life (“it never happens” ).

So, what’s the difference?

“I’m not getting into a discussion about age” no, I can quite see why you wouldn’t want to do that. Tee hee.
Do you think people don’t see through this? Why are you doing it? What do you get out of it?

StevieSW, sorry to hear about your experience.

As for transwomen using womens facilities, I think women just accepted the rare occassion this happened. I also think the reason women are now objecting is that the demands and threats have gone too far all over the world. You cannot say anything bad about a transwomen, even JY gets defended. Really?
Rapists in prison, really?
Hampstead Heath womens pond mixed sex when there was already a mixed sex and a mans pond.
Parttime crossdressers and everyone has to go along with their version of realit. By day.
Any womens service has to accept transwomen as part of their funding, so basically being forced.
Government pays trans organisations to lobby them for trans rights and womens organisation get peanuts.
Transwomen, more and more, winning in womens sports.

We have been had by our own government, we have been too nice and we have been played. This is the pushback

I agree they're extremists and should be ignored but extremists use your silence to power ahead anyway.

Why is it that you use a very tiny minority a being representative of the group? Why are we not concentrating on the majority of people who aren't like that?

A tiny minority? Didn't Stefonknee speak in front of Canadian mps?

Tiny minority or not, it's the extremists driving policy change under the radar.

The police are now collecting crime stats based on gender, not sex. When did that happen? Were we told about it?

Are those minority branches of feminism forcing through changes to the laws?

When Roses, Petrol etc. are talking about a feeling or sense of being female, are you talking about sex or gender?

(Hopefully this will aid my confusion!)

NotBadConsidering

Why is it that you use a very tiny minority a being representative of the group? Why are we not concentrating on the majority of people who aren't like that?

It would be absurd to use minorities of any group as examples of the group as a whole. There's a thread currently running describing how one branch of feminism is against women marrying men or having children because it is anti feminist to do so. So that's a minority of both women and feminists who believe it. Would it be of any use to say that this minority are representative of women, or feminists, as a whole or to make policies about the whole group based only on this minority?

Roses and Stevie what do you mean by 'treated as a woman'? Apart from people recognising your biology, that's surely based on cultural ideas that vary between groups? But those cultural ideas are ultimately based on the biology people believe you to have, not on a role you've chosen for yourself. 'Woman' is not a costume.

Stefoknee Wolscht identified in 2015 as a 6 year old girl:

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3356084/I-ve-gone-child-Husband-father-seven-52-leaves-wife-kids-live-transgender-SIX-YEAR-OLD-girl-named-Stefonknee.html

So to Petrol and Roses, is the girl part of this ok, but not the 6 year old part? One is delusional? The other not? Both?

Incidentally, I’d be interested to know if Stefoknee now identifies as a 10 year old girl, or perpetually identifies as a 6 year old.

@StevieSW Only a tiny number of trans people have a GRC, or have had bottom surgery.

What do you think of self ID? The proposed waiting period of 3 months in Scotland with no medical evidence needed?

What do you think of men, some with beards, who say they are a woman and demand access to female spaces? They say being a woman is a feeling inside, and no need to change who they are physically at all.

Yikes presumably spam cross post

Forgive me if wrong, but aren't you the one who did OP disrupted by a disruptor robotic on loop post the other week when you didn't like the way a thread was turning out?
If so, only way is to smile and nod with you lol

If you say so, stick fingers in ears la la not listening if you want

So we are all agreed, then - Woman = adult human female.

Nobody's confused ta

You're very lucky, roses, if you've never had the experience of being 'treated as a woman'.

Just in case anyone is confused:

Woman = adult human female.

Why does woman mean patronise, or being ignore -if that's your definition, then fair enough but that's not the issue here.
It's the inside of a woman (Its say feeling but know how that'd go lol)

Yes, OldCrone - me too. As a woman, cunty type, I just want to be acknowledged and treated as a human. I don't want a division to exist between the way women are treated, and the way men are treated.

All I can say is that being seen as, and treated as a woman in every way I possibly can be feels to be correct for me.

This is something that I find very odd. I feel quite uncomfortable when I'm aware that I'm being treated 'as a woman', because it usually means that people are doing something like being patronising, or they're ignoring me, or they're giving me special, 'fairer sex' treatment (implying I'm weak, or in need of special treatment), and I can't understand why anyone would seek out that sort of experience.

So when someone says that they want to be 'treated as a woman', I just ask myself why would anyone want that? I just want to be treated like a human being, which is probably more like being treated as a man.

What problem, roses? Are you saying there's a problem with women wanting women-only spaces?