To those who visit the board and believe in gender identity, what is your solution?

DickKerrLadies

Totally agree with everything you've said so far.

Not so, Petrol, plenty of posters up thread saying that they don't know the answers.

You see? We're getting into the same circular discussion again. What is a woman, what is living as a woman. Everyone already knows these things.

Yep,
never
ending
circular
roundabout

what is a woman
oh lolz it's the feelz
g'wan g'wan define woman
no not like that
so what is a woman?

lol

I also feel there needs to be better education of gender dysphoria

Unnecessary.

The TRAs are quite clear that the requirement to experience 'dysphoria' is no longer and those who talk about experiencing dysphoria are rejected are freely as those they call T*.

The reason many of them want self id is because the current gatekeeping excludes them as they are not dysphoric.

Those who truly feel dysphoric are being thrown under the train as much as women are.

You see? We're getting into the same circular discussion again. What is a woman, what is living as a woman. Everyone already knows these things.

I think gender identity should be recognised and accepted.

I disagree with this.

Gender dysphoria is not the same as gender identity. People who suffer from gender dysphoria should receive proper support for any and all mental health conditions rather than be pushed towards intensive, invasive and sometimes irreversible medical treatment that may not even ease their dysphoria.

GRCs were homophobic from the start, I don't see why we need them anymore now that same-sex marriage has finally been legalised.

I think rather than legislating for 'gender identity', any hate crime committed due to somebody's gender identity should count as lifestyles and subcultures, as in the Sophie Lancaster case www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9971003/Mother-of-goth-victim-welcomes-hate-crime-law-change.html

We should be able to deal with prejudice and discrimination towards trans people without having to lose single-sex spaces.

What does it mean to 'live as the opposite sex'? I'm a woman. If I wanted to live as a man, how would I go about it?

Surely it means to live as the opposite sex as much as you can?
I mean, I'm a biological female.
If I was wanting to become a man though (which I don't) it'd mean outwardly living and presenting as a man as much as possible.
I mean you can't change your biology, but you could live and present as a man.

We have the solution already.
The existing system that checks for gender dysphoria before issuing a grc is fine.

I also feel there needs to be better education of gender dysphoria. The reason people can't understand "feeling" a certain gender is because they don't experience dysphoria. I don't know what a heart attack feels like but I know people have them.

I live as a human. I do all the things that humans do.

I am a woman but I don't live as one.

I think gender identity should be recognised and accepted. I think gender neutral/unisex bathrooms should exist alongside(!!) single sex bathrooms. I think people should stop being so hard on trans people who are already living a very difficult life as it is.

I'm sorry there are women who feel threatened by trans people (trans women really) but these trans people also feel threatened by us and they deserve to live free from that.

I just do not recognise any 'sense' of being female. I never have. I've never thought "I feel female".

We are all either male or female. I don't see how anyone can say they 'feel female' or 'feel male', because they don't know what it is like to be the opposite sex, because they've never experienced it.

So if a woman like roses says that she 'feels female', how does she know that what she is feeling is 'feeling female' rather than just feeling like herself. She has no idea what it is like to be male, so she can't know what it is like to feel male either.

This is totally unlike sexual attraction, where we all know whether we are attracted to men, women, both or neither.

Any chance of answering the question I asked you earlier, TheNavigator?

What does it mean to 'live as the opposite sex'? I'm a woman. If I wanted to live as a man, how would I go about it?

Or maybe you could answer, PetrolBastard, since you talk about people 'living as a woman'.

How is living as a man different from living as a woman? Is this another of those questions that people can never answer?

Well, Bianca, I can only speak to the LGBT circles I frequent, but I do hear comments that same-sex attracted lesbians are bigots being thrown about by seemingly liberal people (trans and non-trans) quite frequently nowadays and I speak to lesbians too afraid to assert their own boundaries in public.

I'm not suggesting that all trans people feel like this, or that they call everyone else bigots, but I do think that lesbians are reviled for being 'anti-penis' nowadays.

I do agree with you Doyou. I really feel for many trans people who are swept in with the few who are trying to erase biological women or use trans as a way to have 'access' to women. You can never know someone's true motive until you know them which doesn't help with the whole toilet/changing room debate. Do I think that someone who identifies as female but born a man should be able to access women's aid for example? No. Because the risk isn't worth taking. However I do very strongly believe that they should have access to support and away from criticism and hate.
I believe that a third space is an answer that should be seriously considered. At the end of the day, a trans person will always know they are trans. That is a fact.

For some it's not just biology, there is a sense of female as well.

See, it's this I just don't get.

I've never had this. And if you want, you can say this is me refusing to accept it but I just do not recognise any 'sense' of being female. I never have. I've never thought "I feel female".

I mean, I 'know' I'm female because I have XX chromosomes and a menstrual cycle and have lactated but if anything it was something I 'noticed' rather than 'sensed' if that makes sense.

Like I said on the last thread, either I am a woman purely because of biology, or I'm trans.

Long stop generalising. Not all men 'push' men into female spaces and not all trans people call everyone else a bigot.

Biancadelrioisback It was a general question to the 'room'. I'm asking anyone reading or posting here, including transwomen.

Thanks for replying though, even if you don't have an answer.

Who are we to say they're wrong or dismiss them, we're not them.
Just like in trans scenario

Raindrops, but lesbians don't go around telling straight women they're bigoted for refusing to date lesbians on the grounds of sexuality.

Whereas lesbians' sexuality and their right to assert their boundaries as same-sex attracted people is constantly under fire from TRAs who argue that women can have penises and lesbians who refuse to date trans women should at least try a penis first.

Well, how do I know whether any man, trans or not, has a penis? We don't exclude men from female spaces because they have a penis, it's because they are men.

DickKerr why don't you ask a transwoman? Like others, I am not one so I can't answer.