This is why men get away with so much - their behaviour is always excused and dismissed

It's almost as if the social expectation that chaps don't necessarily need to behave like adults is carried over into the consultation room...Or as if they construe it that way or frankly misreport it in a manner that suits them.

This plays out in ways big and small. I saw my kid's doctor yesterday, and told her that his dad spends literally zero time with him at all. She asked if I'd considered giving his Dad some suggestions as to how to spend time with our son.

I firmly suggested back that his father knew how to read, and how to Google, and was capable, if willing, to research that himself without any need for my labour.

Why the $%^& would a man need instruction on how to spend time with his own child anyway ? In what universe is that a thing? I'm not saying the doctor agreed that he should need instruction - but the question itself was mind boggling to me in the underlying assumption that sometimes women have to help men to be ....basic level human ?

Another thought:

if it's normal in that school to have teachers being drunk at events like this with students, I have a real issue with that. But, I would tend to see that as a leadership failure and would want to apportion some of the blame for the situation at that level. I've see all too man examples of poor leadership resulting in a predictable problem, and the people who ought to be held responsible making sure to tut tut at the whole situation.

Just came here to see if there was a thread about this - unbelievable!! The TRA need to watch the Gilette advert a few times for a bloody start. I would not want this 'man' teaching my daughter! There are some brilliant qualified teachers out there who are crying out for a teaching position, yet pervy twats like him get to keep his job? What. The. Fuck.

Goosefoot
Yes. And all the allegations which were proven (all of them) remain on public record and will show up in any employment checks.

Just because he hasn't been struck off doesn't mean that people have said it's ok.

He was sacked and has a permanent reprimand?

I would consider that a fairly serious repercussion. My question, if I was making the decision to ban him permanently from teaching, is whether it is part of a pattern of behaviour or not. I might also look at it a little differently if he were a fairly young teacher, closer in age to the students.

Actually the full hearing is available here for anyone who is interested:
www.gov.uk/government/publications/teacher-misconduct-panel-outcome-mr-lewis-morrison

I'm having a quick flick to see how it tallies with media reports.

I'm not far in but it seems he has already been drunk and aggressive to the venue staff and that's not at the main issue yet.

wacademia
My point is that there's a tiered approach to punishment.
His attitude and actions were unprofessional and cannot be excused.

As outsiders we don't have access to the full details. The panel did. That panel included teachers and non teachers. It's not a case of either accept his actions and defend the indefensible or decide he would be struck off for life.

And it's a y11 prom so yes they are children still.

Quick reminder that 300 boy on girl rapes take place in schools and are reported to the police each year. It's likely that the real number of boy on girl rapes is at least twenty times that (6000) based on research into under-reporting. As a teacher, he should be protecting the girls, not egging the boys on.

When I come across cases like this I tend to think of it as 'would I consider this person a liability and risk 20 years from now?'

Yes. He encouraged the BOY children in his care to regard the GIRL children as sex objects. He's not going to change his tune if he's made it this far through life with that attitude. And whilst you are giving him the chance to reform (which he won't), how many boys will he teach to objectify girls? How many girls will be hurt by boys acting on his suggestions? How many girls do you think are acceptable collatoral damage for him to have a second chance? My threshold for that is ZERO.

It’s no fucking wonder we have such a massive problem with male on female sexual harassment and rape in schools if even the staff aren’t sanctioned for behaving in disgusting, misogynistic ways.

And what kind of a prick gets steaming at a do for people who aren’t even old enough to drink? And it’s not just the idiotic dad who makes a twat of himself getting plastered at a birthday party, he was fucking working ffs.

This bloke is a fucking moron at best, and a vile misogynistic piece of shit at worst. If I found out he was teaching my DS I’d hit the bloody roof.

LassOfFyvie
I believe the warning and disciplinary stays on his record.
Any future issues he would be pulled up and probably lead to being struck off.

In the meantime, he's been sacked. His name will be muck and rightly so. Schools will be very wary of employing him and rightly so.

The question when considering struck off for life is whether the actions in this situation should prevent them ever teaching again. When I come across cases like this I tend to think of it as 'would I consider this person a liability and risk 20 years from now?'

If and how that translates to a lifetime ban from a profession is a different issue

His behaviour is appalling. I don't know how the regulation of teachers works- will it appear as blot on his record to be taken into account if there are future issues?

Could they have ordered that he attends compulsory additional training in safeguarding and equality?

I'm trying to imagine what would happen if a male solicitor in my office spoke that way about female trainees or office juniors at an office party. I suppose we would have to consider if the behaviour was sufficient to merit dismissal under employment law, but if it doesn't I'm confident that it would be black mark to hold against that employee for the future. It breaches our code of conduct in the workplace and office parties are still in the workplace so far as conduct reflecting badly on the business.

I dont think the standard with most people is that men are restraining themselves most of the time.

I think most people will think his comments were totally out of order, utterly unprofessional and inappropriate.

If and how that translates to a lifetime ban from a profession is a different issue.

It's as though the standard is that all men are barely restraining themselves at all times, and if it slips occasionally 'that's ok, he keeps himself restrained most of the time'.

M0RVEN
Proms are usually out of work events that staff attend in their own time. Venues expect staff to be present and usually there's enough volunteers (we buy our own tickets). It's a nice evening with the students and some staff have a social drink. I dont at y11 prom but have had a drink at y13. Most staff are totally professional and it's a lovely evening.

This man (I would guess) is probably the 'look at my banter, see how cool and down with the kids I am' type so decided to abandon all professional judgement and got drunk. It's really quite tragic. Someone having one or 2 too many at y13 prom is not my style but I can understand it. Getting drunk at y11 prom is really quite sad.

Why was the teacher consuming alcohol at work ?

Rosalisa

Also, if any of those young women were raped or assaulted that night, that teacher should be held jointly liable with the assailant after a comment like that.

He told the panel he heard him say: "Lads, you need to go where this lot are for the after party, they are gagging for it", referring to the female pupils.

Great role model there. He should be sacked and struck off. How does he know whether those young women were thinking about sex anyway? Does teacher training include clairvoyance?