New PM, TRAs getting their group letter in early

(If you want to find the petition, I don't think we're allowed to link, but it's called "Please join us in asking Stonewall to reconsider its approach to transgender policy", and the signers include people who were prominent in Stonewall at Stonewall's founding.)

If they want a list of LGBT+ celebs (and non-celebs) with something to say about this issue, they could do worse than look at that petition that respectfully asks Stonewall to reconsider their stance. I think it's nearly at 9k by now.

It's in the service of TWAW.

If you're just acknowledging something that's always been true, then NBD, right? Like getting a parking permit or something.

The fact that legally changing sex is a denial of history and reality which will never be a complete process because it's impossible, makes it a bit trickier to get done.

“It's an extremely bureaucratic process," said Ms Talbot.
"You have to gather years of evidence from employment records, identity documents and bank statements, and send all of that information to a panel who you don't actually meet.”

I was thinking about this today. They really are overegging it.
It’s literally the same as when women change their names after marriage, you change it with utilities, banks etc. Then after 2 years they send copies of documents.
It’s actually fuck all effort.

However, I wonder if these men have ever actually done anything like this? It’s ‘wifework’ and they’re probably used to mummy or their partner doing all the paperwork so things just magically appear for them. Now they have to do this one thing for themselves and they turn into Kevin the teenager because it actually takes a tiny bit of effort on their part!

Hopefully this letter will get short-shrift, I don’t think the Tories are going to capitulate to the TRAs, and they have outspoken gender critical MPs in their ranks.

There are certain yardsticks now that most sensible people have. Most people don't think a male rapist, who can't even convince a well-meaning and probably quite gullible trans group that they are really trans, should be anywhere near a women's prison. (7)

Almost everybody who has heard of the Yaniv case doesn't think women should be forced to accept physically male people as women in all situations. This seems quite clear. If the trans lobby had any sense at all, they'd realise the game is up and start putting a bit more (8)

effort into thinking how they can help trans people without compromising women's safety, privacy and dignity. We know what will happen under self-id, as it's already happened. The people behind this letter know this, but choose to ignore it. It won't work any more. (9)

Just think how much could have been achieved for trans people over the last five years - better health care, kinder operation of the GRA etc etc - if they hadn't been so obsessed with attacking women's rights. Nobody has been served well by this. (10)

Interesting thread on the organiser of that letter:

twitter.com/BillBaggins96/status/1155913538713661442?s=19

Ben Hunte reports on a new letter sent by "LGBT groups and celebrities" to the new PM calling for GRA reform to be speeded up. The letter has been organised by Paul Martin OBE, a man with a large beard who heads the LGBT Foundation in Manchester. (1)
t.co/lOclNQBlQc

Paul is pretty adamant that he wants any kind of gatekeeping removed; he is particularly dismissive of the need for "evidence" that the current gender change process demands. The only thing that matters to Paul is the "dignity and rights of trans people". (2) t.co/MX9dggYD7H

You'd think Paul might be a tad more cautious, given that his organisation has close links with "Transforum" - the trans support group in Manchester that was once frequented by Karen White. (3)https://t.co/MV0xh7mtvp

White made quite an impression on the people running Transforum. Here's Jenny-Anne Bishop (another OBE), chair of Transforum, talking to the Guardian after the White scandal came to light. (4) t.co/o4dCS6gNh1

Martin must know all this. He must know that even trans support groups doubted White's trans credentials, and saw White as a violent danger to others. But this doesn't stop Martin supporting a complete free-for-all on legal gender change. (5)

The point I'm coming to is this. The great failing of the trans lobby has always been that it is obsessed with its own interests and doesn't give a damn about anybody else's. I actually think this is not a wise strategy for them now. (6)

Not sure if this is the right place to post this, but I saw a link to a petition, from the Safe Schools Alliance FB page:

Inquiry into the influence of lobby groups on policies about sex and gender

Wouldn't it be great if people didn't believe the government has the power to validate their identity.

So what, pray tell, is the Govt doing to disallow non-binary people from "just existing"?

Given you've quoted my sarcasm maybe I need to point out that it was sarcasm? Or were you just joining in? It is of course a completely ridiculous claim. And it's in very fucking poor taste that they use that kind of language, as if there's some kind of eliminationist fascist clampdown happening on "enbies" because they can't have an X on their driving license.

People with disabilities in this country can legitimately and genuinely claim that they are "not allowed to just exist." The comparison between what is happening to actually marginalised groups and the melodramatic whining of these privileged up-themselves wankers is... instructive. They love to appropriate genuine oppression and it's disgusting.

I think the tide is turning-politicians are realising the very real danger to women, self ID poses....many of us are asking our MPs to repeal the GRA-it no longer serves a purpose-same sex marriage is legal. Predators have and will abuse any chance of men accessing womens spaces. Jeremy Corbyn stated TWAW and lost many women voters-this is such an important issue and we women will not shut up about it!

Dominic Cummings is married to Mary Wakefield, something (associate/deputy - apologies don’t know the meanings of these titles) editor of the Spectator. I don’t know whether they discuss these things, it may be irrelevant, but she’s probably aware of the issue.

Personally I think Brexit will still dominate and I doubt Johnson will prioritise something like this.

Good grief, these people just have no idea how fucking privileged they are.

Indeed they do not.

Or perhaps they do and that is exactly what they hate.

I'm never quite sure whether it is ignorance or some warped kind of jealousy.

It's going to sound like a winner to Johnson. It's well crafted to appeal to the Conservative instinct (bureaucracy, judgement of private lives etc etc)

Yeah, the temptation to give the death blow to the 'Women' part of the Equalities Office might prove too great. The Cons hate it.

True, jacky, but the utter lack of awareness of anything beyond the end of their noses never ceases to shock me.

these people just have no idea how fucking privileged they are.

It's patriarchy innit ... the domain of control by white men.

Ms Talbot added that for any other community to be required to prove something to a panel in order to be granted full rights would be an "absolute outrage".

Try applying for citizenship.

Or getting Disability benefit

Or becoming a parent by adoption, or a foster career.

How about opening a bank account if you have just arrived in the UK?

Or getting an Education and Health Care Plan.

Good grief, these people just have no idea how fucking privileged they are.

He'll do whatever Dominic Cummings tells him to do - he's the one who needs convincing about the effect on the female vote.

It's going to sound like a winner to Johnson. It's well crafted to appeal to the Conservative instinct (bureaucracy, judgement of private lives etc etc) and I doubt he's ever applied for his own passport, applied for any of his numerous marriage licences, changed his name on marriage, had a DBS check for work/volunteering (or the much more onerous precursor to it which took for bloody ever), applied for a job with an application form, applied for probate after a relative dies, gone in front of an adoption panel, applied for a benefit, had a formal appraisal or professional revalidation, applied for an EHCP for a child with additional needs or any of the other numerous bureaucratic processes we all go through because we're ordinary people in a complex developed society. He might have applied for his own driving license I guess.

But imo he's probably fairly GC at bottom. He needs to know it's a vote loser with substantial groups.

This may be effective, sadly. One thing we know about our new PM is that he is not a deep nor a logical thinker. Even his allies, I think, would not claim that for him.

True, but his strategists will be thinking about the next GE. It all depends on whether they believe this is a vote winner. Dominic Cummings, as much as I loathe his tactics, is an intelligent guy and unafraid to speak his mind. If they have any sense, they will let Labour own this issue, since Corbyn has already declared himself for self-id.