Insufferably Intolerant Science Nerd

AriadneAufNaxoswould you have the same attitude toward the people doing the sex work? Interested in your position on it

"Sex work" is legal in the UK so the idea that undercover police are posing as punters to arrest prostitutes is nonsense unless the prostitutes are actively soliciting in public - which is illegal and rightly so in my opinion.Being a pimp or a brothel keeper is illegal - and rightly so.

So far as prostitutes who actively promote the lie that sex "work" is work; or those who spout on about how empowering it is and how much money they make ; or those who sneer at supposedly sad little people whose jobs are "burger flipping" or cleaning offices ; or the Belle du Jours and the Laura Lees pushing these lies; or the madams and facilitators- yes I have contempt for them as well.

Idon’t think it’s looked down upon that much for a man to hire a sex worker but I might be wrong, I’m not a man

I have utter contempt for any man who uses a prostitute. I have discussed it with my son and husband who feel the same. I would be very surprised if friends or colleagues were relaxed about this.

but it seems like the whole man sleeps around he’s a player, woman sleeps around she’s a slut

You are confusing 2 completely different issues. What consenting adults, who are not cheating on someone else or infected with an STD get up to willingly (and that means without the exchange of money) in private and which does not involve "sex games goes wrong " injury is no concern of mine. If people want to have safe, consensual, mutually enjoyable sex, no matter how casual the relationship that is up to them. I have no judgement to make.

I see you refer to "sex worker" and "sex work". I refuse to prettify prostitution by using that term.

For women who have been trafficked I would say something like "women trafficked into prostitution". If it's put forward as a positive choice- then I would use "prostitute".

@AriadneAufNaxos would you have the same attitude toward the people doing the sex work? Interested in your position on it. I know a few people (all doing it of their own accord) who live where even doing sex work is illegal and there have been undercover police posing as clients and then arresting people. And what about the stigma for the people working? I don’t think it’s looked down upon that much for a man to hire a sex worker but I might be wrong, I’m not a man, but it seems like the whole man sleeps around he’s a player, woman sleeps around she’s a sl*t.

@TiredofthisBS I’ve dabbled a bit in sex work and it’s all been because I’ve wanted to rather than being forced into it but I accept I may be in the minority!

According to a comment on the facebook post, they have a 'list of facts' which will melt our brains if we see it

I wonder if any of them would employ some critical thinking to what GNC Ben experienced? Or is it all cry's of bigot, terf and fingers in ears la la la la?

It's exactly that.

It might be more constructive if they would come over here and discuss what rights they think trans people lack and try to explain to us why they think we're wrong. But no, it's all 'bigot', 'terf' and 'stupid mums'. Because calling people names is such an effective way to convince people that you're right.

That's not a bad idea Ariadne.

Ah, well if it's not ladybrains, it must be gendered souls! Hooray!

Born in the wrong body with ladybrains

And if you believe this you therefore believe your own brain is a lady brain which is just plain sexism. Of course there are sex differences structurally, pregnancy makes them more so for a while but brains are plastic and show their environment.

The brain study (using only TW and W and only a few brains - 8 iirc?- looked at an area that was similar in size in the TW and the women but is flawed for all the brains it didn't include plus has now been re evaluated to show it was due to a trauma related effect.

I've just had to detox with a Magdalen Berns video.

When men find out how much better male women are, women might as well pack up and go home

Except for sex[ual intercourse]?

Heterosexual men who preach TWAW are hoist by their own petard at that point, methinks.

Born in the wrong body with ladybrains - very science, much evidence.

Prostitution is a demand-driven business

The problem with de-stigmatizing it is that it increases demand

Exactly. Punters should be stigmatised. They should be despised and ostracised. Being caught as a punter should be a dusciplinary sackable/striking offence issue for any profession such as law, law enforcement, accountancy, social work , medicine or teaching where ethics play as much as a role as simply being good at one's job

Prostitution is a demand-driven business.

The problem with de-stigmatizing it is that it increases demand.

Where is the supply to come from in a business that is predicated on female poverty? Why, it comes from increasing female poverty. When that fails, it comes from trafficking.

In every country that has suffered economic shock, prostitution increases while prices for services go way way down. During the Greek crisis, I read articles lauding — yes, lauding — that men could now buy a woman for less than the price of a sandwich.

Amnesty International praised prostitution as a means for tackling female poverty — that’s how fucking impoverished the push for decriminalisation and legalization is.

How about instead of increasing demand for a product supply predicated on global female impoverishment, we instead cut supply entirely by eradicating female poverty?

Wake me when Amnesty and every other bro-led NGO comes up with a plan for THAT.

A huge reality that's completely ignored in the trans PR parade is that many young children, often girls who begin to identify as trans have suffered sexual abuse as a way to make it stop, deal with the trauma, gain control over their bodies.

It make me feel physically sick that this is touted as wonderful and liberating by people like this, with huge followings. It's Evangelical.

Ironically I'm following now just to see the craziness. I notice a few of my GC friends do the same for the same reason.

Two of the really good points from the skeptics thread:

Kesstrel
*Thinking about financial scam bubbles - eg the famous South Sea Bubble of the early 1700s - they work because Person A doesn't do their research because they see that Person B, C and D who they respect is investing in it. Person A assumes that those people will have done the research, so they don't need to - it must be a good thing.

I suspect this is what is happening with academics and sceptics. And it all started because Stonewall leveraged its huge resource of respect to "back" the scam, which then snowballed.

It will take real life consequences, and a lot of people suffering, sadly, for that bubble of irresponsible investment to burst. Just like financial scams.*

And

Since gender ideology seems to be accepted by the mainstream medical community, it's assumed to be scientific and those who question it are anti-science.
(Sorry if forgotten who that was.)

Everyone is an armchair scientist these days too and lap up what's presented to them in mainstream media everywhere.

sfonline.barnard.edu/neurogenderings/eight-things-you-need-to-know-about-sex-gender-brains-and-behavior-a-guide-for-academics-journalists-parents-gender-diversity-advocates-social-justice-warriors-tweeters-facebookers-and-ever/

It seems there are a lot of people who can only attack women, blame women and hate the things women fight for - wheras if it comes from a man, or someone trans, it must be right. And some of those people are women themselves. Who may recognise internalised misgyiny - in others.
Seeing it in myself was one of the hardest things. And once you've seen it, it can cause you immense pain. The things you 'allowed' to be done to you. The things you stood up for that you realised you were duped into believing. It can shake your very foundations. At times it can threaten own identity, since you cannot help changing once you have seen it and may not recognise yourself until you learn to see the deepest truths that were hidden from you by your own psyche. I can see why people who have clearly proclaimed identity issues might seem like your tribe.

Dismantling the stigma of people doing sex work would mean better access to healthcare, mental health support and make it safer for them

Dismantling the abuse of prostituted women would also make it safer. I think I prefer a world where women girls don't feel that when desperate, they should be going into prostitution or porn rather than one where it's legitimised and advertised down the job centre.

I don't think there's any way that being repeatedly raped for money can possibly be compensated for with mental health support - it's just a basically damaging existence.

I did used to follow her but unfollowed her (I’m sure she’ll be devastated).

How the he'll do these so called science nerds ignore the evidence of permanent harm around blockers?

Or the rapey coercion of the cotton ceiling?

Too distracted with pretty memes about trans rights being human rights to employ actual critical thought.

I still have absolutely no idea what rights I might have that a trans person doesn't?

Article about doping with testosterone

www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/world/article24780097.html

Jesus that page.

That's my night of comedy sorted out!

The pleas to "think critically." S yet somehow the stories of detransitioners and actual transexuals who regret or who do voice extreme caution around transitioning are ignored.

I was reading about the impact of the German testosterone Olympic doping on women, the horrendous effects of which are still ongoing earlier.

Actual scientific proof of actual physical harm to women completely ignored. They'll argue that this wasn't a choice but do not recognise the coercion of the trans community via media, YouTube and social pressure - as explained by the poor women who are detrans ing today.

I wonder what it will take for them to listen? More detransitioners than trans? I give it 10 years.

I wonder if any of them would employ some critical thinking to what GNC Ben experienced? Or is it all cry's of bigot, terf and fingers in ears la la la la?

Safeguarding safeguarding safeguarding

Does she really call herself 'insufferably intolerant science nerd'? Because, then she's just doing what she has clearly set out to do - be unpleasant and closed minded.

I don't think it's worth wasting too much time on people who declare themselves to be something intentionally unpleasant/immoral.

And how many people wilfully choose do sex work exactly? It's not a gung-ho choice - many people do it because of circumstance not because they enjoy it.

God, these people are thick.

I have a FB friend exactly like that. Gets angry about anti-vaxxers, homeopaths, people who believe the earth is flat etc but genuinely thinks it's possible to be born in the wrong body. Gets angry with people who say she's wrong.

but it would be interesting to see what the comments are like
No it wouldn't.
I found her page by following a random Twitter link - I'd never heard of her. I read through several posts and the comments were entirely adulatory. Anybody who is conent to have an FB page full of praise from fans needs to take a serious look at what they've become.

@TiredofthisBS no one is saying that forced sex work is good - that’s wilfully missing the point and I think you know that. Dismantling the stigma of people doing sex work would mean better access to healthcare, mental health support and make it safer for them. Hell, we could even unionise! No one is saying trafficking is good though, we’re saying that people who do choose to do it shouldn’t have to face stigma and should be safer