Daily mail have picked up on the Canadian waxing case

Yes they have - BUT omg the slating of the 'right wing press' and dressing it up as primarily bad for trans people and how reporting has been so trans phobic....

Congrats Guardian! Okay, she's had to be careful, and she uses female pronouns for Yaniv, but she does say that Yaniv is in the wrong. Comments not allowed, I notice.

Interesting remark on Twitter under twitter.com/GuardianUS/status/1155101467726024704

A trans woman doesn’t have “male” genitalia. Don’t post this TERF-y bullshit.

twitter.com/it_Gerd/status/1155106275774074884

Yes, the Guardian is now a 'terf'!

Thanks both. But where is the left wing press.

The Guardian have printed a piece, - yes I know it's a shock!

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/27/male-genitalia-week-in-patriarchy-women

Never thought I'd be thinking that the Mail was too soft in its reporting.

They also failed to mention that one of the victims JY chose had young children at her home.

Why has it come to this. The farmers keep the archive. The Mail prints the story.

Thanks both. But where is the left wing press.

I was a bit annoyed that they mentioned a few time "Yaniv was refused manicures by Salons" (you'd think aw poor Yaniv) without making it clear the "Salons" were lone women working from their own home, who simply didn't want an obvious male person coming into their house while they were inside alone, for obvious reasons.

Some people reading might think "all these bigoted salons shouldn't have a problem servicing transwomen" thinking it's about those places you see with 3-4 women painting nails in from of big windows you can see into.

I wish they'd made that clearer.

Just to make absolutely clear, what I and the commentator are saying is that it's never ok but the use of the word 'inappropriate' suggests that it can sometimes be appropriate. It's the subtle use of language that breaks down these barriers.

Everyday I read these boards thinking I can't read anything new and then I do. How the fuck did we get in this situation?

Comments must be heavily moderated as there's been 1.2k shares but only 60 comments All except 2 are saying that women rights come 1st. 1 supports JY and the last, quite rightly, asks 'what is appropriate sexual conduct with a child?' Yet another sign of bad use of language. Cheering to see the ratio though

I didn't click on the cbc article, as I don't want to encourage newspapers, that are positive towards people like Yaniv, but the daily Mail article was good.

This comment:

"The way she was treated was disgusting, the salon owners need to be punished by the government"

Has 161 down votes and not a single up-vote.

Anyone think it might be Yaniv posting?

I find it amazingly ironic that some transgender women behave in such a male way by asserting their power over women. I find the whole attitude completely misogynistic. And I say this as someone who knows a transgender woman.

Info on background, all cases, and links on the thread linked here

Fascinating tweets about JY’s waxing case. Read here. (cont. thread 2)

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3644495-fascinating-tweets-about-jy-s-waxing-case-read-here-cont-thread-2

It's a lot of info, but a quick scan might be helpful if you want to know the background.

I'm not completely up on the background to this one. Was he specifically searching out salons with female operatives? I wonder how he'd have reacted if they took the booking and offered a transwoman to do the waxing
I saw somewhere that he called some salons and was accepted but didn't follow through on the appointment. I can't remember where that was for the life of me.
Part of one of the cases was that he was outside of the waxer's area. She gave him part of her address, but not the apartment number,I think, and then cancelled when she started feeling uncomfortable. He then turned up at the complex and started messaging her for the number.
In the court, he made a big thing about needing to travel for hours to get there.
There definitely seems to be a strong current of it being about seeking women who refuse, rather than simply wanting a wax.

**I wrote all that and then realised I've 'misgendered' Yaniv throughout. Cant be bothered to go back and amend everything to JY.
MN, we're not going to get strikes for this one surely?

Yes, he sought out female practitioners who were immigrants and worked solo. He had previously tweeted about South Asian immigrants being “dirty”, his mother’s behaviour in the courtroom has also been demonstrably racist (took her shoes off and pointed the soles of her feet at a defendant of South Asian origin).

Great article, very detailed. I suspect the comments have been stopped.

Isatis it does seem as if JY went for lone beautician salons, often run by women who had emigrated to Canada. There are also tweets somewhere about not wanting to go to a gym which had an ethnically diverse clientele which seems illuminating in the circumstances. People in the area have said he could easily have found a trans friendly salon with someone experienced in the sort of waxing that was needed.

I'm not completely up on the background to this one. Was he specifically searching out salons with female operatives? I wonder how he'd have reacted if they took the booking and offered a transwoman to do the waxing?

I like how the DM reports on these issues. They lead the reader to the obvious whilst making sure they can't be criticised- so they talk about how other media misgendered 'her', or how refusing to belief TWAW is anti trans, knowing full well their readers will see it all for the bullshit it is.

And creepy that he chose Jessica’s name when he transitioned

Madame Pompadour I think that is a really good article. It’s good to see coverage in mainstream media. I was quite surprised at the comments in on the Hello Canada thread about why mainstream media in Canada were not interested in the case. I know the Daily Mail has a lot of readers in the States and Australia. I don’t know about Canada though

Yesterday the Mail had a very good article about prisons and today Yaniv. They're evidently fully on board with this now.

unphased by his perving because she was so used to it from other men.

That jumped out at me too. Internet - boom or bane huh.

hopefully we can support the women involved there has been a fund set up for the women, this Post Millennial piece has details.

https://www.thepostmillennial.com/fundraiser-launched-for-yaniv-victims/

MN this link is NOT to a go fund me, etc so please don't delete this post. Cheers

Yes the article is very clever. They have to tread a very fine line- the press are accused of being 'transphobic', even when reporting facts.

It's quite alarming, though not surprising, that this poor young woman has reported JY to the police, yet hasn't heard anything back from them.

Oh look a man [as they referred to themselves at the time], grooming children online, we even know their identity, yet the police do not give a fuck.