Are feminists getting played?

Grandiosity. Helps no one.

I'm a little non plussed at sakura thinking she is being singled out for trying to be entirely woman centred. There's quite a few of us with that emphasis, and sakura, you are not the only woman here to have ever been attacked by opposing voices. It really is quite common.

Agree - whether right or left wing. My own views aside, I am at the suggestion that conservative women don’t have anything to contribute to feminism.

Dearie me! Are a few people here still forgetting that this section of Mumsnet is a space for women to talk about women's rights and feminism. It is not a space exclusively for those who declare themselves as feminist. It is for all women .. regardless of their politics, beliefs etc.

Most women have men in their lives that they know and trust, it doesn't mean we can't see that men as a class are a danger to women as a class.

But Sakura literally thinks all men and that anyone who does trust a man and doesn’t think literally all is doing a ‘NAMALT’.

That's great. I just think the "not my Nigels " have a huge voice on here. "Not my Nigel" is profoundly antifeminist, as an argument. Even if it might be true about your particular Nigel

What the fuck are you even on about?

Most women have men in their lives that they know and trust, it doesn't mean we can't see that men as a class are a danger to women as a class.

And if you are going to steal other people's ideas, at least have the good grace to reference them.

Yes, extremely transparent that last comment was huh... and my suspicions were right.

I don't think sakura is a TRA. But those sort of comments, heavy with implication, just puts people's backs up.

Datun

Yes, extremely transparent that last comment was huh... and my suspicions were right.

Yes Floisme, it had the potential to be a great thread but got thoroughly derailed by people who are not productive members of this community and who receive a puzzling amount of leeway from MNHQ

pane

LordRudolphVII doesn't think 2 women a week getting murdered is "that many". Why don't you go and tell him he's hateful, he's just started a thread about women who make false rape accusations.

Of course he has. He's as transparent as a pain of glass.

Obviously if this place was simply full of right wing conservative's who were only here for the transphobia then that wouldn't give me much leeway to have any feminist discussions. I get that

As is that.

As I recall there were also some very thoughtful posts on the childbirth thread, especially from Redtoothbrush.

Obviously if this place was simply full of right wing conservative's who were only here for the transphobia then that wouldn't give me much leeway to have any feminist discussions. I get that

That’s an interesting little comment isn’t it. Sakura, do you think humans can be ‘born in the wrong body’? Do you think that women should have to share spaces with males and do you agree with self ID?

there were two posters on there absolutely renowned for derailment and effortlessly turning sensible discussions into shit shows

Yep. That was why I avoided the thread despite being interested in the topic.

Why don't you go and tell him he's hateful

Don’t tell me what to do or say here or anywhere. I’m tired of being told what I should or shouldn’t be doing by misogynists who think they can tell women what to do. I’ve made my opinions clear to that poster many times.

From what I remember, and I might be wrong so someone who knows what I'm talking about might have to correct me, there were two posters on there absolutely renowned for derailment and effortlessly turning sensible discussions into shit shows.

From the small amount I skimmed, that thread was a car crash of hostility, extremity, and hurt feelings/outrage all round. It was bouncing off the walls with poor communication, abstract ideas being mixed up with practical issues and people relying utterly on their own personal experiences.

Honestly, it was a lesson learned. I purely underestimated how many women were invested in "namalt" and should have gone about the whole thing differently.

That's great Datun, but I'm quite interested in the topic Maniak has raised, so I would also quite like to keep posting on this thread for a bit

Haha! And I'm not supposed to tell you to go somewhere else, right?!

You sounded as though you were hurt and upset that people were being hostile.

Now you are fully apprised of all the reasons, and I have explained exactly where the hostility is coming from.

So we're all good.

Well there's not a lot you can do about that. If that's your audience here, so be it.

Well yes and no. A few women did want to talk about the topics I raised on my threads. Plenty didn't. So I thought I'd stick around and see.
Obviously if this place was simply full of right wing conservative's who were only here for the transphobia then that wouldn't give me much leeway to have any feminist discussions. I get that

sakura184

From the small amount I skimmed, that thread was a car crash of hostility, extremity, and hurt feelings/outrage all round. It was bouncing off the walls with poor communication, abstract ideas being mixed up with practical issues and people relying utterly on their own personal experiences.

And I'm sure it suffered from a TLDR aspect, too. Because people's comments were so long.

I wouldn't say it was representative of threads in general.

grabthar has listened to what you have said and has started a thread about other feminist issues.

That's great Datun, but I'm quite interested in the topic Maniak has raised, so I would also quite like to keep posting on this thread for a bit

a lot of them are strange, absurd, hateful, or just nonsense.

LordRudolphVII doesn't think 2 women a week getting murdered is "that many". Why don't you go and tell him he's hateful, he's just started a thread about women who make false rape accusations.

sakura

grabthar has listened to what you have said and has started a thread about other feminist issues.

There are tons of suggestions, people are eager to talk.

I noticed you haven't posted. Get stuck in.

You might have to ignore the threads/people who are interested in halting the trans juggernaut, from other feminists and threads here. It's probably better than trying to persuade those particular people to your point of view.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3649056--1-Lets-talk-about-Feminist-issue-policies

Grandiosity has no part in class analysis.

Yes I felt so grandiose on my birth thread having to explain again and again precisely why I didn't want men around me in birth. Was even offered prayers to help me overcome my issues. That made me feel amazing I can tell you. Super grandiose.

I was told repeatedly my feminist opinion was not welcome

I think much of your problem is you think you are some kind of feminist authority because you quote radical feminists. You’re not. Much of what you write, is not remotely feminist. Your views are being challenged not because they’re feminist, but because a lot of them are strange, absurd, hateful, or just nonsense. You can keep using ‘its because I’m feminist and you’re not’ if you wish, but you’re just showing how unprepared you are to actually discuss things, rather than parrot others. The lack of self awareness and ability to self reflect, is quite obvious.