Are feminists getting played?

Well, one way would just be to roll over on the semantic stuff, and just be womb-bearers or whatever. Don't get me wrong, I hate all that language, but it is just words.

If we lose the right to define what a woman is then there is no feminism.

Why do you want to remove the word woman?

They can't even though those men want to remove it.

The UK Equality Act 2010, section 212, defines the sexes thus:

man is a male of any age
woman is a female of any age

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/212

At most, it should take up 10 percent of our feminist attention.

Could you be a bit more specific, OP?

What is the point of any of this?

Is it just a thought experiment?

Why do you want to remove the word woman?

Every single mammal species on the planet has two sex classes: male and female, in humans the adult members of the female sex are called women.

Yup!
Female is the body that supplies the large gamete
Male is the body that supplies the small gamete.

Two gametes : two sexes. That's it! There is nothing more.

This idea of equality with men

Whose idea is that ? Is it the idea of men? Is that a male interpretation of feminism?

Feminism is nothing to do with "equality with men".

Feminism is about females working to achieve power and control over their female lives everywhere across the world.

Feminism is about liberating females from the domination of patriarchy.

Feminism rejects those men who claim to be women. Those men completely disregard girls and women and trample all over our boundaries against our consent. This is very patriarchal behaviour on the part of those men; their expression of male dominance and enforcing the subjugation of females.

We are having none of it! We are saying to those men "No!" And we are saying to those men "We women will not submit .. get over it!"

Laws are made of words. Words matter.

There is no meaning to feminism if female doesn’t have any meaning any more.

So kind of needs sorted as priority really.

Every single mammal species on the planet has two sex classes: male and female, in humans the adult members of the female sex are called women.

But lets re-write language just because a tiny minority of entitled men are unhappy with the material reality of biology (yes, I know there are female cheerleaders too but really that's what it comes down to).

Yes Maniak we do need to be a class. Because feminism isn't "equality with men" where poor women get to be just as oppressed by capitalism as poor men, BME women get to be just as oppressed by white supremacy as BME men, disabled women get to be just as oppressed by ableism as disabled men, etc etc etc while Old Cheltenham Ladies get the plush jobs alongside the Old Etonians.

It's liberation of women - all women - from patriarchy. And the root of the oppression of women as a class is in our reproductive capacity (hence the striking imbalance being in pregnancy and caring responsibilities). If the answer to "is this liberating to women as a class" is "no," then whatever it is (sex work / cam girls / fashion industry / diet industry / non-binary identities) are not feminist, but rather an expression of individual advancement. And while individual advancement of women is often a reflection of the improved situation of women as a class, it is not a substitute for it.

Well, one way would just be to roll over on the semantic stuff, and just be womb-bearers or whatever. Don't get me wrong, I hate all that language, but it is just words.

But who gets to define a womb, isn't it just an overgrown prostate?
And if I need a womb to be a womb-bearer someone had better get me one. (not me personally).
Trying to move the goal-posts doesn't work if someone else claims the whole damn pitch.

Mother and child refers to a relationship. I am someone else’s mother.

The word woman refers to something I am throughout my whole adult life. It is required to explain the continuity of my life.

There are no benefits whatsoever to getting rid of the word woman, only negative consequences.

That is specific to that function and stage of life and it is important.

Yes, but that's not what you're talking about. You're talking about eliminating the word woman.

Apparently, so we can move on with all this trans business.

When in fact it creates a shit show of nonsensical language and unnecessary monikers.

This reminds me of a certain lawyer suggesting they are only words and words won’t hurt us.

Female reproductive care exists in the context of the social position women are in.

You cannot separate out women’s physical and social experiences in their treatment.

Women and men are different from each other. There are no advantages to attempting to pretend that is not the case.

Well exactly. The female reproductive system is a real thing. And there should be better care and resources for issues related to it

So the person in charge of funding for these things ought to be someone who had a vested interest? So therefore another womb haver, perhaps?

Cervical cancer screening should be driven by other cervix holders.

FGM campaigning should be headed up by people who understand what FGM could do to them.

Prisons to be inhabited by other, well you can't say womb havers because what if they've had a hysterectomy? So other, um ...?

If I want a female HCP, what do I ask for? How do I know if she's got a womb, cervix, or what?

I'm not sure the OP meant it to be 'one of those threads' tbf.

Calling women womb havers or whatever also creates the impression that it is some kind of additional bolt on part, like an aberration on being human.

Most human beings on this planet are women are and so have a womb.

It also makes wombs sound like a belonging we just happen to be in possession of, rather than it actually being part of us. And I doubt that wording is accidental, because many people want control of wombs.

Yes but for reasons of gender perhaps rather than reasons of sex?

No. Women aren't raped, subjected to FGM, or require a pregnancy test, because of the way they dress or whether they like kittens.

A lot of the 'man made world' issues (medicines, built environment, cars etc) apply to all women, regardless of children.

people who are susceptible to pregnancy
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That would be women then
Maniak, I'm sorry you're so sad to see women fighting for their rights.
It's so nice of you to come here and start a thread to tell women that they're not womanning properly.
I'll consider myself told, if you can't or won't see what is happening then I'll be the one that feels sorry for you.