Are feminists getting played?

For the record, this part of Mumsnet is actually labelled Women's Rights.

I'm sorry, I don't understand why distinguishing women's rights from feminism is instructive in this particular context?

It feels more like an attempt to score points by "correcting" someone than it does an important nuance.

If you feel strongly about it perhaps you should start a thread in site stuff to have MNHQ rename the section in the app?

I think, for example, it affects women in power whereas the problems of women without any power are more glossed over.

Like immigrants to Canada losing their home based businesses and being taken to human rights tribunals for not waxing a man's ball sacks?

Pull the other one.

It's also the case that trans is what has really brought so many women to the women's movement. And different women are at different stages of their journey depending on when they peaked. If you've peaked pretty recently trans is going to be the main thing on your mind.

Maybe then, we are going to see a massive wave of women turning to other issues in the decades to come. God that would be amazing

As someone who "peaked* in several years ago I will never stop defending Women's Rights in the face of sex self-ID and the rest of Transgenderism here in the UK.

Beyond the UK, we women must support our sisters everywhere else in the world to defend their rights against this ideology. So, I think there will be focused discussions about this patriarchal ideology for many years to come. We women have much work to do.

JackyHolyoake

I see what you're saying and I get why you think this. It's because so many people do come on here disrupting and trying to devalue the work of the gender critical women on here.

I think in this case the OP is just raising a genuine point that I've also been wondering myself, and not specifically about mumsnet.

It's also the case that trans is what has really brought so many women to the women's movement. And different women are at different stages of their journey depending on when they peaked. If you've peaked pretty recently trans is going to be the main thing on your mind.

Maybe then, we are going to see a massive wave of women turning to other issues in the decades to come. God that would be amazing

I don't know why so many women don't understand what the thread is about.

My understanding is that the OP intended this thread as a disruptor. That is, its intent is to raise doubt about the purpose and direction of this entire section of Mumsnet which is about Women's Rights.

Anyone attempting to raise doubts about the value of any discussions that defend Women's Rights is cause for suspicion, in my opinion.

I also think that genderism is something women feel they can beat and win and overcome.

I think this is an excellent point.

Well, PCohle, it explains why so many threads here in this section are in defence of women's rights by women in the face of the onslaught against them by transgenderism, doesn't it?

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*The thread is literally about whether or not the trans issue dominates feminist discussion to an unnecessary or unwise extent. I've come here to express my agreement with that opinion. I agree that FWR is the wrong place for me because of that very perspective.

I'm not trying to "tell anyone off" or silence anyone - just add the perspective that there are a lot of feminists who don't buy in to the MN consensus and who don't post here because of responses like this. And I think that is representative of a wider issue GC is creating in feminism.*

No I completely agree with you. I don't know why so many women don't understand what the thread is about.

I have theories why genderism dominates feminism. I think, for example, it affects women in power whereas the problems of women without any power are more glossed over. Yes I know there's lots of talk about prisons, which is obviously vulnerable women, but issues regarding vulnerable women that dont involve trans are completely ignored to a strange degree.

I also think that genderism is something women feel they can beat and win and overcome.

I mean how the fuck do you stop men from bombing people? You can't, is the answer. So best focus on what is achievable

Gosh, well that changes everything.

See also: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights

Yes .. it is!

Is it?

For the record, this part of Mumsnet is actually labelled Women's Rights.

Given the huge threat to Women's Rights presented by transgenderist ideology, it is hardly surprising that transgenderism is frequently discussed here.

The thread is literally about whether or not the trans issue dominates feminist discussion to an unnecessary or unwise extent. I've come here to express my agreement with that opinion. I agree that FWR is the wrong place for me because of that very perspective.

I'm not trying to "tell anyone off" or silence anyone - just add the perspective that there are a lot of feminists who don't buy in to the MN consensus and who don't post here because of responses like this. And I think that is representative of a wider issue GC is creating in feminism.

Of course I don't expect praise for my view- I expected name calling and to be told I'm not welcome here.

Anyone can say what they like. Or start any thread

I'm glad you agree. This is not a private, by invitation only forum.

• You only ever talk about trans issues

feel free to start a thread on another topic

• No, I want to talk about how bad it is you only talk about trans issue

Which is why I and lots of other women don't post here much and is why it doesn't represent a broad spectrum of modern feminists.

That's all OK then. Start your own threads and have discussions about topics that you prefer.

PCohle

What are your views about the trans ideology? Perhaps we should, you know, actually discuss them and see whether or not we agree?

Just pointing out the irony of telling people that the FWR is totally open and inclusive but that I should definitely fuck off elsewhere if I don't like it.

It's representative. It's obviously not representative of 100% of people.

That's the end of the story.

Why are you sitting on a board that you find reprehensible and non representative? What's the point?

I don't care if you sit here all the live long day.

But complaining and saying you don't like it and then when people say well don't use it then, and then getting annoyed?

It's just perverse.

Or, you know, people could just express disagreement without being told to leave? That way we could hear a range of views?

I think we do hear and discuss a range of views. However, what is unacceptable is being told by some we should change the subject we have chosen to discuss in any thread.

Or, you know, people could just express disagreement without being told to leave? That way we could hear a range of views?

Well if they had expressed disagreement with the views, then I might agree!!

They didn't. They disagreed that the views here are representative.

There is no way, at all, to disprove that unless you ask to see how representative the other person's views are. And the only way to do that is to start a thread!

I have no idea what Cohle's views actually are, because they haven't told me. Just that mine are minority.

no I'm not flouncing.

Just pointing out the irony of telling people that the FWR is totally open and inclusive but that I should definitely fuck off elsewhere if I don't like it.

Which is why I and lots of other women don't post here much and is why it doesn't represent a broad spectrum of modern feminists.

I'm just going to reiterate this. I know it's my own post, but honestly.

Go and start a thread. Be representative of all the people who agree with you. No one is stopping you. I'm encouraging you, in fact. I promise I won't post on it.

Go and start it in the regular chat section. Or any other section. Don't even start it here, if the people are wrong for you.

I'm absolutely serious. If you are fed up with people seeing things through a lens you disagree with, talk to different people.

I mean, as a suggestion, it's faultless. You should love it. If I was saying what you say, I would love it.

If we are not representative of an issue that you want to talk about, go and find the people who are.

You got 15,000,000 to choose from.