Are feminists getting played?

@sakura184

I have read every post in this thread .. it seems to me you are asking for women to ignore the biggest threat to their rights in over 100 years and focus on other issues affecting women.

What you seem to fail to understand is that if we do not secure those existing rights women have no grounds for discussing any other issues that affect women.

Transgenderist ideology means that the female sex class ceases to exist as a distinct entity in the world. How can women talk about issues affecting females if such a distinct sex class ceases to exist because it also includes males? That is, the sex class that is female become a mixed sex class.

Given that, under patriarchy, it is so organised that the male sex class is dominant and the female sex class is subjugated to the will and desire of males, the converse has zero impact on the male sex class.

PCohle if you want to address me, at least be astute or intelligent enough to address me by my name.

Is that 'on topic' enough?

If you are being sarcastic, or picking at other posters you are not on topic, you are just picking at other posters.

As a male feminist I often find the trans discussions a bit offputting tbh

LordRudolph, well it's a good job feminism isn't about you, isn't it?

It's all very well saying you're a male feminist 'and before people challenge me on that definition, I'm different and this is why..', but then to cry 'what about the mens?' and complain that women on the FWR board aren't taking your beard grooming concerns seriously just serves to illustrate why men can't actually be feminists.

dadsnet this way

On topic, of feminism being 'distracted' by trans issues or taking up too much time with trans issues.

From my personal experience sadly (see my post on previous page), the amount of time spent dealing with issues raised by trans of late is commensurate with the amount of issues being caused by trans to women and increased suffering.

Thats on topic, and why would anyone have a problem with that, male or female?

Or just ignore it if it doesnt matter, but it does matter for womens rights.

I'm sorry, I really couldn't follow that GirlDownStairs

Handwaving your remarks as a "throwaway comment" is an excellent way to fail to take responsibility for your own words though.

@JackyHolyoake

I've made loads of points about it, you haven't been reading them

This one, the feminist issue that this thread is about.

So, @sakura184 , what is it specifically about the OP that exercises you?

"Is trans really such a big deal?"

If, by using the term "trans", the OP means transgenderist ideology, it is a huge deal because it is a very serious threat to the continuance of the current rights of women [females of any age].

PCohle - asks why I'm (secretly) disappointed there's no flounce.

Me, tired, and thin from life, a throw away comment -
Dunno, it'd make an awesome soundtrack to Blondie?!¿
Why you asking??

PCohle - Because I think it's odd to be disappointed that you've failed to drive (another) woman away from discussing feminist issues here.

Me
Failed? Isn’t that a perception. You’re still here I see. Which is awesome, right. And I failed?
Disappointed - I’m sorry you feel inadequate

PCohle I value your input. Thanks.

Honest, your arguments are killer. I’m dying.

There are only two types of poster who post questions and wonder why on earth we're talking about this issue.

But that wasn't really the OP question.
Weirdly I think it is exactly the same as the reason the facial hair thing was taken down, people don't read very carefully.

Whether or not trans issues are overtaking more important questions in feminism is not someone saying its not an important issue.

In what way are the expectations around ale and female presentation different or similar is not "let's talk about men's hair".

It's always interesting to me in discussions like this that there are some posters who see the question and talk about it, often saying quite interesting things, while a few others others make the discussion impossible by telling everyone they shouldn't discuss it because it isn't relevant.

Yes let it be noted that when I've been humiliated on here LordRudolphVII joins in with the pile on and the dickpanderers are fine with that.
Oh sorry, am I being too touchy?

Oh I'm sorry Lord "2 women murdered a week isn't many" Rudolph

My point is that if men rallied against the patriarchy it would help women.

So, off you go and do exactly that among your fellow men. Avoid any expectation that women should contribute to such an effort. We have enough to do defending ourselves against the horror that is patriarchy.

I look forward to being made aware of men's efforts to challenge the very system that delivers so much privilege to them.

Sakura, that's because you post blanket statements about entire classes of individuals and try and move the goalposts when called on it.

*This one, the feminist issue that this thread is about.

If I wanted to discuss other feminist (or sorry, women's rights) issues I'd be raising them on threads about those topics - as I am in fact doing.*m

Yes I want to talk about this one too!

Flounce. A word so feminine it conjurs up petticoats. Not stormed off in a huff. Used by a woman, against a woman, on a feminist board.

Am I being too touchy?

Which feminist issues do you wish to discuss, PChole?

Why do women still not get the point of the thread, it's so weird.

This one, the feminist issue that this thread is about.

If I wanted to discuss other feminist (or sorry, women's rights) issues I'd be raising them on threads about those topics - as I am in fact doing.

My point is that if men rallied against the patriarchy it would help women.

However, it is very off-putting to women who are new to feminism when their views aren't just disagreed with, but often ridiculed

I don't think I'm new to feminism but I have been ridiculed and humiliated practically incessantly on here since I started posting regularly. I've been called disgusting, unintelligent, unhinged among other choice words. But disgusting was definitely my favorite

Because I think it's odd to be disappointed that you've failed to drive (another) woman away from discussing feminist issues here

what feminist issues are you wanting to discuss?

Men don't discuss these issues like women do and it certainly wouldn't be a bad thing if more men understood and fought against the oppressive elements of out society which affect both sexes

And, what has that to do with FWR?

So, create your own Dadsnet?

There is a dadsnet, right here. I mean you don't even have to log out ...

Because I think it's odd to be disappointed that you've failed to drive (another) woman away from discussing feminist issues here.

Which feminist issues do you wish to discuss, PChole?

We are all ears.