Are feminists getting played?

If there is no objective truth by which governments can be held accountable – be that a government of the right or the left, run by men or by women – then you are entering into the realms of totalitarianism which will crush all “rights” underfoot.

The division of the world into biologically discrete categories is perhaps the most basic truth there is.

If we are forced to say that men are women then we can be forced to comply with anything.

We can be forced to hand over our children to be “educated” to disregard the truth of their own eyes. Their minds will be open to be filled by whoever has the most power at any given point in time.

We will be forced to stand in silence in the high streets of our towns as men dressed in leather parade their fetishes before us – and be too afraid to say anything because we may be charged with a hate crime.

We will be forced to say that it is a basic human right to express our sexuality in any way that we want to – and women will be forced to provide services to people who demand that their every desire be facilitated in care homes, in waxing salons and beyond. The logical end point is that we will be silenced in the face of men (and some women) who wish to pursue their sexual interest in children.

The “authorities” that have the power to do this then have the power to do anything in any area of life.

When the human person is crushed like this to say that black is white and right is wrong, it doesn’t really matter who controls the food supply or how much plastic is in the ocean – everything that is worth saving in humanity will have long since disappeared.

And, by the way, the character in True Detective was R Cohle.

Oi oi Jessica and littl that's fair dos but I've not even. Is sexed or misgendered

If I have been a prick, please point it out

I am very sorry for your experience username and that you feel it has been minimised here. I have no desire to cause offence in relation to what is obviously an issue very close to your heart.

So, @Cohle, are you going to give us all your analysis of why transgenderist ideology is not a threat to any of existing women's rights?

Girldowundr. You don’t get emails from hq when you get deleted. Poof they just vanish and that’s it. Gone for ever more to that lonely deserted place of deleted posts. Or not so lonely and deserted at weekends

GirlDownUnder they don’t always email if it’s only talk guidelines and not trans rules ( which you get a strike for ).

I am very sorry for your experience username and that you feel it has been minimised here. I have no desire to cause offence in relation to what is obviously an issue very close to your heart.

@MNHQ umm I've no emails from you, I've not been rude or had any thing from you; so please explain. Lurkers will think we're odd!

Refuges used to be for women only, there is an exponential increase in male bodies in Refuge, are you denying there should be an exponential increase in raising it as an issue.

Each and every one of those refuges across the UK originally came into existence since the 1970s via the money, sweat, tears and blood of women to create sanctuary spaces for women violated by men in the most horrendous ways.

Men are now demanding we hand over those spaces that women created to them.

Patriarchy in action! The abuse of women by men. Men whose view of women is learned to be, via patriarchy, that women's existence is to serve men's desires. [See also pornography and prostitution.]

Women are saying No!

I think, for example,[trans issues] affects women in power whereas the problems of women without any power are more glossed over.

Really? You genuinely don't see the risks for vulnerable and powerless women in losing sex based protections? Or are they the wrong kind of vulnerable women?

because whilst you recognise that trans issues are important, you personally feel they are dominating the discussion too much and discouraging young women from engaging with feminism

Did you even read or acknowledge what happened to us Cohle

I dont want this minimised.

This didnt use to happen. Its happening to us now, and we became interested in feminism as a direct result. Refuges used to be for women only, there is an exponential increase in male bodies in Refuge, are you denying there should be an exponential increase in raising it as an issue.

The women in the Refuge shut the women down in refuge, and they were expected to accept it (like the abuse they just left). Those women also became more aware of feminism, and dealing with this as a womens issue.

So the MN board are welcoming and inclusive, unless someone manages to come up with an unfortunate interpretation of your user name, you apologise and change it, upon which you'll be called stupid and accused ever forth of being a man and a pervert?

All because whilst you recognise that trans issues are important, you personally feel they are dominating the discussion too much and discouraging young women from engaging with feminism.

The issue here is the recognition that for women [females of any age] transgenderist ideology represents the biggest threat to the rights of women in over 100 years.

If you, who claims to be a woman, do not recognise that, a full explanation / analysis of why you take such a different position will be very welcome.

We look forward to being enlightened by you. Thanks.

@datun I need help

Ok. So the MN board are welcoming and inclusive, unless someone manages to come up with an unfortunate interpretation of your user name, you apologise and change it, upon which you'll be called stupid and accused ever forth of being a man and a pervert?

All because whilst you recognise that trans issues are important, you personally feel they are dominating the discussion too much and discouraging young women from engaging with feminism.

Yes let it be noted that when I've been humiliated on here LordRudolphVII joins in with the pile on

You have not been humiliated on here. Lord Randolph's post was fair comment. You do post sweeping generalisations and make random topic changes.

Ta-dah.

I hope my username passes muster to be allowed to post here now.

It's the name of a character from True Detective. The pronunciation literally never entered my head. I'm a long standing MN user, if you think I'm some kind of pervert you're welcome to report.

I am not in any way convinced that those demanding to be 'on topic' are being genuine; are not remaining on topic/hypocritical