Are feminists getting played?

I am, apparently, a Dutchman. Who knew?
Ps I’m not

It seems to me that the groups I’ve identified above need some support

Maybe they could have special spaces to help keep them safe. Maybe they could be targeted with aid and assistance. Maybe they could get together to provide each other with support and solace

If only we knew what factors united them we could really target that aid. Make sure it gets where it’s needed. Really tailor those protections

Help us @Maniak, you’re our only hope

Do you have experience of actually hiring people in a commercial situation? I do. Do you seriously think that with so many graduate professions having well over 50% female intake employers don't take the best candidate?

Weirdly, in our organisation questions are asked when female managers end up with female staff; because male managers always 'manage to hire men' as if we are deemed to have failed if we don't hire men. And that's with a female CEO. And in this male dominated industry we as females are still questioned when we hire women, even though we stick like glue to the process that we need to prove we used when hiring people. and because we don't down grade women when we are scoring them.

I have absolutely no doubt that if they could get away with it, many companies would hire more men if they could.

Actually laughing out loud at how this thread purporting to encourage feminists not to get distracted has now become 'women, you've never had it so good!'

Pfft.

And with that, I'm off to to drink much wine and enjoy my holiday. Peace out to my actual sisters xx

Lass women are discriminated against at interview because of their reproductive potential, because of care demands for elderly relatives which society places on them. So yes, if a company could choose a 'woman' free from these biological possibilities and social roles (because they are the opposite sex) I'm pretty sure they would

Do you have experience of actually hiring people in a commercial situation? I do. Do you seriously think that with so many graduate professions having well over 50% female intake employers don't take the best candidate?

In a nothing between 2 candidates situation I'd toss a coin. There rarely is such a situation.

Fitting in with the rest of the staff, not rocking the boat counts and I'm pretty sure that for many employers a natal woman or man for that matter would have the edge over a trans person.

I’m still waiting for the mysterious factor behind these terrible things that keep happening to certain people for no discernible reason at all @maniak

I may well not have been, Lass, I am not a legal bod like yourself. But the reality of sex based discrimination against women is something covered in law, and it has to do with biological realities, not inner senses of gender.

Besides, my point was that I am now utterly incredulous that the OP is in good faith at all with the eyelash batting naivete stuff about women being discriminated against via reproductive potential in the workplace. You may spend the next few pages parsing my layman's argument if you want, but how about I just admit the specific detail was in error and leave the wider point about reproductive potential to stand?

@deepwatersolo "Can we write laws on that basis? " Of course not (?) Laws are always written up formally in their own language.

Laws are written in a language that does not use words like female, woman, sex (all words whose definition is under assault courtesy TRAs)? I indeed did not know that. I imagine this will be news to lawyers, too.

The protected class is Pregnancy in Equal Act

Yes-the person can call themselves whatever they like- if they are dismissed because they are pregnant they have suffered discrimination. The employer is not off the hook just because they might have trans women employees.

Now consider all the people in my no doubt very annoying posts

What single factor do they all share @maniak?

Do you think language might be important to help us join the dots?

Floral bunting was right - change the language then change the comparitor. If policies are sex blind, then they are blind to sex discrimination

No she was not right in the example she gave.

Consider the people abducted from the school in Chibok in 2014 @maniak

What did they all have in common?

Plaemarking to read.

Consider the people made so poor by tax credits that they are selling sex

What do they all have in common @maniak?

I’ll wait

Yeah, Maniak. Like I said, done now. Go well.

I was responding to the idea that we can't discuss women's issues because of trans. And it shocks me (it always does) how easily women hand away power. We're talking about our OWN conversations and our OWN knowledge. It's not so weak.

Giving to men the language used to describe yourself just because they want it is weak.

Not seeing the damage and insidious effects that giving away that language in law and social circumstances will cause shows a lack of critical thinking and intelligence.

Agreeing to use de-humanising descriptors for yourself in order to appease and submit to men is weak.

If you cannot grasp the consequences of this and the impact it will have on women as a class you don't understand women or feminism.

Consider all the people subject to Symphysiotomy

What do they all have in common @maniak?

I’ll wait

Sealion? Is that you?

Maniak, do you really not get that if a woman is sacked because she is pregnant and tries to claim sex discrimination, if males are included in the group 'women', and women are in the group 'men' and we are in law just a mass of humanity only distinguished by who likes pink and who likes blue,

The protected class is Pregnancy in Equal Act.

Consider the poor sods paying the owners so they can have their bodies exploited in German mega brothels @maniak

What do they all have in common?

I’ll wait

Lass women are discriminated against at interview because of their reproductive potential, because of care demands for elderly relatives which society places on them. So yes, if a company could choose a 'woman' free from these biological possibilities and social roles (because they are the opposite sex) I'm pretty sure they would.