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Plane spotting

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Macareaux · 23/07/2019 20:28

Oh FFS
BBC4 programme plane spotting and they interview a woman pilot. Great news as women are still in a minority so it's good to have the visibility. This one has been flying for BA since the 1970s. Odd that when BA only started taking female pilots in the 1980s.

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plattercake · 24/07/2019 15:20

FFS. I think it was Catherine Burton, transwoman. I wondered too and so did DH when we happened across the prog. And that was watching on a small telly, across a room with no close ups. I didn't want to speculate until I had researched and didn't see the intro that gave people's names.

It is exactly as women have been predicting. A male replaces a woman and ticks the extra diversity box. He gets to be male, a woman and trans. Definition the right kind of woman.

I don't mind a bit of engineering myself so it make me really angry. I faced a lot of sexism from my dad etc when I was growing up and it was such hard work being a girl interested in cars, engineering, making stuff etc and not one person encouraged me in that direction, quite the opposite, plus the usual sexual comments etc. I would have loved to see a woman as the expert pilot.

The video below is rage inducing. the first line is the intro "I'm Cat Burton, one of British Airway's most senior women captains". Yes, one who got there as a man :(
runwaygirlnetwork.com/2017/08/21/retired-but-not-retiring-bas-catherine-burton-reflects-on-pilot-career/ (that website name offends me as it has nothing to do with women flying - but with passenger experience as facilitated by 'runways girls', grr)

There was an interesting moment on the show that I half heard (was doing other things too) where the woman in overalls was looking through the binoculars and said something like "I see a female, so I am going to say a woman" presumably in response to being asked who was flying the plane. It struck me as in odd thing to say, but in the context of having a transwoman on the show, it might make some sense.

www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2019/07/23/planespotting-live-review-shambolic-show-ever-cleared-take-bbc/

I can't read the article but the comments are interesting. No one seems to know or is saying that Captain Cat is might be a male who is a transwoman.

rant over :(

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 24/07/2019 14:28

Oh so it was the same person...

I wonder how the penny dropping is going

andyoldlabour · 24/07/2019 13:47

Well blow me down, this is amazing. My good wife, who is totally not interested in this latest political/ideological hot potato, came into the room whilst I was watching "Planespotting", took one look at Catherine Burton and said - "Is that a man?"
I replied that I didn't think so, but had second thoughts when I saw Catherine towering above everyone else.
I am now going to have to eat humble pie and tell my wife she was quite right.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/transgender-british-airways-pilot-flying-4255502

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 24/07/2019 08:46

Was it the same person macareaux

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 23/07/2019 21:49

Good point well made there wrath

WrathofStrawberryWhittleKlop · 23/07/2019 21:44

Rufus and Orlando

The right or wrong end of said stick, who cares. It's just banter innit.

But then again I don't get the words sex and gender muddled up in official documents hoping no one notices.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 23/07/2019 21:34

orlando

I find it can be very difficult to get the right end of the stick nowadays

I frequently find Ive got the wrong end

WrathofStrawberryWhittleKlop · 23/07/2019 21:33

The planespotting pilot might well be a different TW.

Not really.

It is so good to know that women are winning awards for their efforts.

It is so good women are represented in the media in male dominated professions

Orlandointhewilderness · 23/07/2019 21:32

Ahhhhhhhh I'm getting you now!

Wrong subject and end of the stick completely on my part!
Apologies!

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 23/07/2019 21:08

captain Catherine Burton had 40 years flying experience when she announced her gender transition to British Airways colleagues on an online forum in 2014

Yep, Catherine was who i meant

But yes ive no idea if its Catherine on the tv show

RiddleyW · 23/07/2019 21:07

So is that the pilot from planespotting?

RiddleyW · 23/07/2019 21:06

Oh right I see thank you.

WrathofStrawberryWhittleKlop · 23/07/2019 21:05

Yep
Brave and stunning

RancidOldHag · 23/07/2019 21:02

I guess she must mean thus:

www.walesonline.co.uk/business/business-news/domestic-abuse-campaigner-endurance-runner-11200628

There were 5 joint winners, but it's not clear to me whether the pilot here is the one on theBeeb programme. She is not the one that previous posters have been discussing (start as BA trainee pilot. In the 197)

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 23/07/2019 21:02

The pilot appears and gets her award riddley

On the video i watched a bit of at any rate

RiddleyW · 23/07/2019 20:58

I googled it too and can’t see the link

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 23/07/2019 20:56

Womenspire 2016 Personal Achievement Award

Just googled that...

RiddleyW · 23/07/2019 20:55

Womenspire 2016 Personal Achievement Award

Did the pilot get this?

WrathofStrawberryWhittleKlop · 23/07/2019 20:54

Womenspire 2016 Personal Achievement Award.

Am I impressed?

No
Not a woman

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 23/07/2019 20:51

they included of the length of employment as trainee when giving the dates

Cool

VikingVolva · 23/07/2019 20:47

And although she qualified (and took full control of the planes, if that's the right terminology for being the senior pilot on a flight), she was first employed by BA in the 1970s, and completed her training and junior roles with them (8 year training path)

So the penny that needs to drop is understanding they included of the length of employment as trainee when giving the dates.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 23/07/2019 20:46

And yes, she is a woman

Well that’s awesome

Im not watching the programme but how did she manage to do that in the 70’s if mac is right about women pilots

WrathofStrawberryWhittleKlop · 23/07/2019 20:46

I would imagine the BA pilot will have a long and comprehensive CV.

Full of male achievements.
Ffs

Orlandointhewilderness · 23/07/2019 20:41

And yes, she is a woman.

Orlandointhewilderness · 23/07/2019 20:40

My brother is a pilot and has flown with many women pilots. His view is that actually the industry is keen to recruit women these days, women get equal pay and everything is done on an even footing. He did ponder that the smaller number of women pilots might be more to do with the fact that historically it has been a male dominated industry which has put more women off it?

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