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Queer theory - origins of the madness.

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TurboTeddy · 23/07/2019 17:13

I've seen many references to queer theory on threads here and despite googling I never really felt I'd grasped it. If you've ever wondered how trans ideology managed to gain so much tranction then this interview explains. It's a great antidote if you are questioning your own sanity in response to the relentless gaslighting by politicians and the media. You are not mad, queer theory is.

The interview is about 50 minutes long.

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AlwaysTawnyOwl · 24/07/2019 10:25

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ProbablyShouldntbut · 24/07/2019 10:07

....and after fetish porn video rubberman at the NSPCC I'm thinking this isn't quite as hypothetical anissue as it might be.

ProbablyShouldntbut · 24/07/2019 10:05

So transgenderism and TWAW comes directly from queer theory, as do the pups at pride and the rubber clad wanker at the NSPCC

Stonewall's "Acceptance without exception" slogan can take on a really quite creepy aspect when viewed in that light

Was looking at the LGBT etc policy of a Trade Union recently .. and to prevent having to expand the acronym every time something else gets added on they have voted that the LGBT + structures can include anyone who feels discriminated against becuse of their sexual orientation or gender identity.

Now I'm not at all suggesting it was done for this purpose - but it reads (technically anyway) as though any rubber fetishist or 'Minor Attracted Person' could pitch up to an LGBT group meeting and demand to be included....I really don't think that's what the members at the conference thought they were voting for when they passed this as policy.

OldCrone · 24/07/2019 09:33

What I understand from this is that queer theory says that "woman" means someone who performs femininity, not an adult female human. There is no other way to define woman, because material reality doesn't exist.

The other main point is that any transgression of social norms is 'progressive' as it amounts to 'queering' society. This means that BDSM, bestiality and paedophilia are all 'progressive' and therefore a good thing according to queer theory. The only social harm from any of this is the marginalisation of these people who are labelled as 'deviant'.

So transgenderism and TWAW comes directly from queer theory, as do the pups at pride and the rubber clad wanker at the NSPCC (protected by his employers, because transgression = good, social norms = bad). Not to forget that 'No Outsiders', coming to a school near you soon, is all about 'queering the primary classroom'.

How has something so insane managed to get so far?

ProbablyShouldntbut · 24/07/2019 09:16

This is also a very good intro - it's specifically about the work of Judith Butler... who is very much the ' go to' Prof for the Wonderful World of Transwoo

faculty.georgetown.edu/irvinem/theory/Nussbaum-Butler-Critique-NR-2-99.pdf

Chiochan · 23/07/2019 23:15

What terrifies me is a thought that came to me recently.
What if history is littered with ideologies that, at the time of their creation no sensible person took seriously as they believed it would never gain traction, it was just laughable nonsense. From the devine right of kings to neoliberalism, yet they came to be commonly accepted as unquestionable reality for decades if not centuries.

TurboTeddy · 23/07/2019 22:52

I've been mulling over thoughts about the end game of trans ideology; after listening to this I've concluded that the trans issue is misdirection and simply an instrument to deprive words of meaning so that those seeking absolute power can do away with any human rights.

In the early parts of the interview Susan Cox describes how queer theory sought to challenge existing ways of thinking by describing them as unproductive, she used the phrase a few times, it struck me as interesting and significant.

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LeftHandDown · 23/07/2019 22:31

I love this video, such a clear explanation of Queer theory and the wider implications.

TurboTeddy · 23/07/2019 22:28

Persevere when you have the time it's really worth it. The interviewer describes his brain as exploding and later as melting. I don't think the concepts are hard to understand so much as hard to believe anyone has taken it seriously. It explains how it's taken over in academia which means we're in big trouble.

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CamVegOut · 23/07/2019 22:25

Placemarking. If you change a name then all harm done disappears 🤔

Melroses · 23/07/2019 22:13

Oh dear, I am going to have to listen to this, and it's nearly bedtime!

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 23/07/2019 21:09

placemarking - i started listening and want to finish (even though my brain is melting)

Mermoose · 23/07/2019 18:58

I listened to this the other day. It's such nonsense, it's really gobsmacking it ever got traction. All this time I thought the trans movement was accidentally rendering words meaningless, but it turns out that's the actual aim.

TurboTeddy · 23/07/2019 18:49

Yes it's not one to listen to if you can't give it your full attention but I thought Susan Cox did a good job of explaining things.

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Juells · 23/07/2019 17:30

My brain froze

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